Insanity

[Radders]

I don't think he would, not on this occasion as all the players were expecting it to be given, especially Carroll whose reaction afterwards showed he knew he had got lucky.

[Woody SUFC]

Chelsea vs Liverpool that handball which denied a goal imo.

 

It's not just Man utd.

 

But down with video replys. It would make the game too stop starty and take away that debate in the pub afterwards!

[Matt]

You could tell from Carroll's reaction that it was in - he rushed out, gave a little glance towards the linesman and when he could see no flag, he kept running and carried on as usual. As a goalkeeper, that's what he had to do. I'd be livid if I were a Spurs fan, but the officials can't give a goal for something that 'might' be in, they have to be totally sure. In this case the officials were 30 yards behind the play.

[Guest]

Perhaps worth considering that video technology is desirable to some at the FA and to some influential companies because they will be personally enriched from the contracts to supply real time video officiating. Only a very few objective decisions (like goal line assessment) could be judged without changing the fabric of the game where many decisions rely on the 'opinion of the referee' - not on verifiable facts. Why can't there be assistant referees responsible for the goals? - Ice hockey has used this for years. It's cheaper and can be extended further down the hierarchy of the game than the so-called high technology solutions, and would not hold up the flow of the game.

[DECORUM]

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Perhaps worth considering that video technology is desirable to some at the FA and to some influential companies because they will be personally enriched from the contracts to supply real time video officiating. Only a very few objective decisions (like goal line assessment) could be judged without changing the fabric of the game where many decisions rely on the 'opinion of the referee' - not on verifiable facts. Why can't there be assistant referees responsible for the goals? - Ice hockey has used this for years. It's cheaper and can be extended further down the hierarchy of the game than the so-called high technology solutions, and would not hold up the flow of the game.

Sorry, did not log in. The above was me.

[Barry Scott]

In the NFL they use the red flag system, where if a coach think's that the referee has made a mistake they go to the video to review the call. Again, it's only a case of looking at a few angles and would take 30 seconds, which the fourth offical could add on at the end of the half

[Guest]

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In the NFL they use the red flag system, where if a coach think's that the referee has made a mistake they go to the video to review the call. Again, it's only a case of looking at a few angles and would take 30 seconds, which the fourth offical could add on at the end of the half

Now we are back to the title of this thread...

[Barry Scott]

all we're doing is mentioning how other sports do it? Hell cricket and both forms of rugby use video refs nowadays

[PJ-STFC]

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Hell cricket

What?

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PJ <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/chat.gif" alt="" />

[Guest]

Have you noticed that the ones defending the ref are Man U fans.

[Barry Scott]

Yes, involving sharks with fricking laser beams and a ball that explodes at random intervals. Actually I did mean to put a comma there, but I changed my mind as to what I wanted to say and couldn't be bothered to change it

[Martin]

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Chelsea vs Liverpool that handball which denied a goal imo.

How exactly? At most it would have been a penalty and there is no guarantee that that would lead to a goal.

The United v Spurs incident was a clear cut decision - the line is there, was the ball over it. No doubt.

The question of whether it was a penalty could not have been decided any better by a video ref or a fourth official. The question was whether it was an intentional handball by Tiago. Deciding another person's intention is a matter of opinion. Mike Riley obviously got it horribly wrong.

It was nice to see that Carragher against Norwich though went running over to the ref to admit that the ball struck his hand in the penalty area and that the Canaries should have had a penalty or did we all miss that?

Personally, I am against the introduction of video replays or the involvement of more officials. We struggle to find three competent officials at our level as it is without the need for any more. Video replays would be limited to the elite level which would further undermine grass roots and lower league football. Every goal is important but it is impossible to get every decision right.

Anyway, rant over.

[GarySTFC]

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It was nice to see that Carragher against Norwich though went running over to the ref to admit that the ball struck his hand in the penalty area and that the Canaries should have had a penalty or did we all miss that?

Ball to hand and deliberate hand ball. Two different circumstances and both clearly identified. Tiago brought his hand up to alter the flight of the ball, Carragher was struck at almost point blank by the ball.

Even Chris Kamara, Julian Dicks, Ron Harris and the other bloke on the Sky Sports 1 show said Carragher's was no way a penalty.

[Martin]

No I agree but I just wanted to have a dig at Carragher. I heard someone say that they felt Tiago was pushed and in any event it should have been a freekick to Chelsea but I think that was his Mum.

 

Chris Kamara, Julian Dicks and Ron Harris do not know what was going through Carragher mind though. The law is all about intention.

 

Purely on the face of it:

 

Tiago - penalty

Carragher - no way.

[GarySTFC]

I've seen penalties given for less though and you could argue that his arms were outside of his midrift (sic) and therefore some intent could have been there.

[Martin]

True but where else were his arms supposed to go? It is tricky to play football if you need to have your arms down by your side or across your chest to avoid any risk of contact. But Howard Webb certainly got that one right - IMO.

[SteveDelaney]

How is it that tv replays are used by the fa to give a player a red card or even recind a red card if the officials missed the incident in a game.

Bet fergie would be banging the door down at the fa if his side were denied it.

Be interesting if united went on to win the the league by one point also Spurs could be denied getting a european spot by two points.

[BFR]

Spurs will be denied a European spot on account of the fact that they are a [****!!****] club doomed forever to feast upon former glories. One European campaign in 20 years, even with the ban on British teams, shows how poor they are. Even Ipswich have done better than that!

[charlie]

as an ex P.E. A level student, we studied the use of video referees and the arguments for and against...

the arguments for are obvious, more accurate play, the fact that the video would be taken as a final decision and not used throughout the game etc etc but the arguments against are just as many,

one being that it would slow the process of the game (anyone who's seen an NFL game recently will testify that nearly an extra hour is played due to constant stopping when a yellow or red flag has been dropped). secondly, traditionalists of the game will argue that it takes away the spontaneity of the game and that the ref will eventually become surplus.

plus the cost of the cameras, the maintenance and the possibility of bribing the cameraman to "miss" certain aspects of the game would all lead to money matters and the call that it may not be all that much better than having linemen and a ref.

just thought i'd add the educated in sport person's response....

as far as my own personal view goes, spurs were incredibly unlucky (despite me being a closet man utd fan) but carroll did what any goal keeper would have done in order to remain loyal to his team...

and as far as the bias at man utd is concerned, i think all major top league clubs receive similar criticism (see above) and for bitter rivals to suggest that man ut only got away with it as they were at home is a bit childish... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bootyshake.gif" alt="" />

[Martin]

Sports fans childish - never.