Edgware Town V Ilford

[Foxy2004]

An interesting discussion is happening on the Ryman 2 forum re our game against Edgware on saturday.

 

Having just gone 1-0 up with twenty minutes to go...three of the Edgware players got sent off for a second caution then Ian Grey the Edgware manager instructs two players to get sent off so the game gets abandoned.....!

According to the referee we get the game and the three points as this happended all after the 85th minute...

 

Does anyone know

[Mackie. D]

Foxy, my understanding of the rules are, if at least three quarters of the game has been played, ie, anything over 75mins you get awarded the match and points.

[Foxy2004]

Cheers ER.....

[The Invisible Man]

It depends on what the rules of the competition state on the subject, if anything. You'll have to look in the League Handbook. The Laws of the game do not state a minmum number of players.

 

Some competitions give a minimum number of players to start a game but say nothing about how many you need to finish it. This would be at the discretion of the referee. In the event of a game being abandoned the referee has no power to award th egame, or the points, to either team. He/she has to submit a report on the circumstances to the competition, who will then decide. There are usually rules and guidelines laid down in the competition rules.

[Foxy2004]

Tx Mr Invisible....

The ref actually said there wont be any need to worry as you'll get the points....but we understand that a report has to be submitted etc.

[Arkwright]

Plus the team that had the players sent off will be brought up before the FA to explain why!.

[Hookey]

Didn't something similar happen a couple of years ago in Div 1 between West Brom and Sheff Utd, where Sheff Utd had 3 players were sent off and a further 2 went off injured (all 3 subs had been used), the ref abandoned the game and the points awarded to the Baggies. They were leading 3-0 at the time and the result stood.

[The Invisible Man]

Unfortunately the paying customers presumably don't get their money back, despite not having seen a game played to a conclusion!

[Foxy2004]

Well it's been reported that the game was abandonded in the 88th minute but the ref informed us it was the 91st minute so they got a fair amount of "entertainment".

[Guest]

Quote:

It depends on what the rules of the competition state on the subject, if anything. You'll have to look in the League Handbook. The Laws of the game do not state a minmum number of players.

Some competitions give a minimum number of players to start a game but say nothing about how many you need to finish it. This would be at the discretion of the referee. In the event of a game being abandoned the referee has no power to award th egame, or the points, to either team. He/she has to submit a report on the circumstances to the competition, who will then decide. There are usually rules and guidelines laid down in the competition rules.

The Laws Of Association Football regarding Law 3-number of players state "A match is played by two teams, each consisting of not more than eleven players, one of whom is the goalkeeper. A match may not start if either team consists of fewer than seven players"

The decisions of the IFAB (the people who make/ ratify the laws) state "Subject to the overriding conditions of Law 3, the minimum number of players in a team is left to the discretion of national associations. The Board is of the opinion, however, that a match should not continue if there are fewer than seven players in either team"

[Guest]

This business of 88mins and 91 mins raises the same point as Saturday's game at Enfield Town when everyone thought that Rudi Hall had scored in the 86th minute but the Ref had "added" 7 minutes for various reasons so the "real" time was 79 mins. This ref in saying the game went to 91 mins is making an impossible statement as, at the end of the day, a game is 90 mins whatever anyone thinks and no matter what time is "added". I am making an issue of this because it keeps on being raised and you see 90 mins so many times in the media that it makes you wonder when the goal was actually scored !

[Pretty Vacant]

I understand that one of players sent off for Edgeware was Wayne Grant, for pushing the referee over. Methinks he'll be having a relaxing time for the next few months if it's true. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bawling.gif" alt="" />

[MbrunoB]

If you deduct time from the end, i.e. to get time of 79 mins for Rudi`s goal instead of the real 86 mins, then it means that the second half must have started before it did. So if a goal had also been scored a minute after the break what would the time have been then?

Bloody hell my BRAIN hurts!!!!!!!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wall.gif" alt="" />

[Guest]

Ok sorry, I will make it easier. During the course of the second half, the ref stopped his watch for an overall period of 7 minutes, therefore, when Rudi scored in "86 mins" it wasn't - it was 86-7 = 79 mins, likewise Edgware's game could not have reached 91 mins .

[MbrunoB]

No time runs but the clock stops at 90 minutes. 45 & 90 are the longest minutes of any game,especialy when Moan U are behind.

How would you know after 86 mins how long a ref will add,so any time after the 45th minute of the second half is 90 minutes.

It is `time added on` for stopages not a time machine going backwards and forwards.

[The Invisible Man]

The Laws state that the ref is the sole timekeeper. He will indeed stop the game when his watch says 90 minutes as he will have stopped it for stoppages, at his/her discretion. The Laws make no requirement for times of goals etc to be recorded, it is only done by clubs/TV companies etc for the benefit and interest of surpporters, therefore there is no way the time can correspond to the ref's watch. When I reffed, like most refs I did record the times of goals, cautions and other incidents (by my watch of course) and included the time in report, eg "in the 23rd minute of the first half Bloggs did such and such" - just to clarify things for the badges and blazers. I'm a helpful little chap really.

 

Just to confuse you even more, I used to let my second (spare) watch run - you just can't press two buttons on different wrists every time there's a stoppage. So if the main watch did go wrong (it never did) I'd have had to guess the "time added".

 

A ref, yes Law 3 gives a minimum number to start a game but doesn't give a minmum number during the game. (I did incorrectly attribute this to competition rules. Just testing.)

[andyetfc]

How will this affect our Golden Goal competition? Should we ask the official for the 'official time'?

[MbrunoB]

Keep on as we are and work it out on time gone it`s the simplist way and whoever has 45 & 90 good luck to them.

[AbbeyMan]

Quote:

This business of 88mins and 91 mins raises the same point as Saturday's game at Enfield Town when everyone thought that Rudi Hall had scored in the 86th minute but the Ref had "added" 7 minutes for various reasons so the "real" time was 79 mins. This ref in saying the game went to 91 mins is making an impossible statement as, at the end of the day, a game is 90 mins whatever anyone thinks and no matter what time is "added". I am making an issue of this because it keeps on being raised and you see 90 mins so many times in the media that it makes you wonder when the goal was actually scored !

(Usually) A half is 45 mins. So if half time NOT reached coz the ref is enjoying himself so much (!) and a goal is scored x-minutes beyond 45 the time is still 45. or 90 in the second period.

If memory serves, in the last EC when they got to 45 (or 90) that would be reflected in the time.

eg if scored 3 min beyond the 45 it was recorded as 45min (+3)

Now there's a good idea until you get a clever dick that says:

Team A goal 45 (+6) to go 1 up = 51 mins.
Team B goal inside the 1st minute of the 2nd half ie 46 mins to equalise.

So Team B equalised before they went 1-0 down!!!

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[MbrunoB]

Do you remember the old monty python sketch with the yorkshire men,thats nothing we used to get up half hour before we went to bed?

Its all getting a bit that way here.