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[Southport - TOWNER]

so what do you make of the comments by Alex Stone of the FA???

 

[HTFCew]

What does it say? It's a bit early to go to the papershop, not had brekkie yet.

[Southport - TOWNER]

basically; FA said that the Isthmian league could have 2 teams from any individual league. And at no point did they (FA) say that IL could hav eonly Ilford or ETFC

 

Plot thickens

 

 

[Jim Cunneen]

I think it speaks volumes about the Ryman League and those who control it,.

[Southport - TOWNER]

... or those who WILL be controlling it in the future

 

 

[TB&G]

Sorry that this latest news nugget will just add fuel to your Ryman 2 disappointment fire, Towners.

 

Hopefully you've all vented your spleen by now on this subject and can just put the latest NLP piece down to typical Ryman incompetence or skullduggery and concentrate on aiming for a promotion spot in your 2004/05 ESL season

[andyetfc]

What about page 17?

 

John Goodwin states that an invite to Enfield Town was made without consulting the board of directors!

 

Go to www.etfc.co.uk and read Robinson's letters because he says it was a board decision regarding the offer to ETFC.

 

 

[TopGun]

Ian Botham's condemnation of the cricket authorities a few years ago got the nations attention ,He decribed the T.& C.C.B as a bunch of Gin swinging old Dodderers. His words do seem to decribe another bunch of modern day Idiots that spring to mind.

[Steph]

I think that it is likely that Alex Stone and Robinson are telling the truth.

 

Robinson said "Originally the FA told us we could take on four more teams, and we planned to take two teams from the Essex Senior League - Ilford and Enfield Town."

 

"But we were then informed by the FA that we could only bring in TWO NEW TEAMS. (I would add a quote here which was not said "And then it was decided") one each from the Spartan South Midland and the Essex Senior league. So we had to make a choice".

 

Alex Stone said, "We gave the league guidelines about the number of teams they should have in the league. (Which was I suggest 2 more clubs) and we told them they could take no more than two from any individual league. At no point did we inform them they could only take one club from the Essex Senior League".

 

I would suggest that Mr Stone is being less than frank in that he is not telling the whole truth. I suspect that Mr Robinson is. (Except for the quote I have added). Did the FA inform Mr Robinson that the Ryman league could take 4 extra clubs if they did then I think that most of the blame for Enfield Town's position can be laid at the door of the FA.

 

There is, of course, the matter of ground grading which I think Mr Robinson has to answer as he said in the letter of the 7th April that "if the they (The Ryman League) received more applications than places superior facilities were likely to be the deciding factor". (Note that little word "likely".)

 

However read the comments of Leyton Chairman Costas Sophocleous when he says, "The next couple of seasons are vital to the survival of the Isthmian League. We need to work very hard to make friends again, and we need a fresh start".

 

Mr Sophocleous I understand that you read this BB and post under various pseudonyms. I do not post under a pseudonym and I would suggest that if you want friends a period of silence on your part would be beneficial to the Ryman League.

 

I would add that any person that is opposed by Mr Sophocleous has to be a friend of Enfield Town.

[PORTENCROSS]

"Official" statements attributed to F A officials like the one in NLP , just make life more difficult by the day. If only folk would tell the truth, confusion would not reign in the way it does at the moment. At a meeting in Loughborough on 9th May , the F A informed the Isthmian League and all interested delegates that " Isthmian League relegations were conditional on the Isthmian League only accepting the transfer of one club from the ESL and one club from the SSM from the four that were initially accepted " .

 

Nothing changed from that moment on and I assume it was on receipt of that directive from the F A that the Isthmian League had to change their thinking on taking two of our clubs. The business of Ilford Town over Enfield Town or vice-versa is purely one for the Isthmian League and as I have repeatedly said before was all wrong in the first place and the "inviting" of either club should never have been allowed to happen... look at the stress and fall-out such a selfish and disgraceful action has caused.

[Steph]

>>LC

 

Your post only adds to the confusion as the statement refers to relegation matters it does not alter the fact that Mr Stone was probably telling the truth when he said "At no point did we inform them they could only take one club from the Essex Senior League".

 

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[Squadron Leader]

 

 

Whatever we read in the NLP this week (& yes I have read it)it does not make any difference, Enfield Town FC are still in the ESL. We must concentrate on winning the League convincingly this time. Lets put all this Ryman 2 C**p Topsy & Crusoe behing us & just bllomin get on with it PLEASE!!!!!!

 

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[Southport - TOWNER]

Quote:

Steph said:
.........................................................However read the comments of Leyton Chairman Costas Sophocleous when he says, "The next couple of seasons are vital to the survival of the Isthmian League. We need to work very hard to make friends again, and we need a fresh start".

but didn't the FA want to see the end of the Isthmian League?

If Costas is looking to mend bridges i wonder where HE could start?

[Southport - TOWNER]

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LgeChairman said:
..........ubs. The business of Ilford Town over Enfield Town or vice-versa

what are Ilford called?
Ilford Town or Ilford

according to the inscription on the league cup it is Ilford Town; but I always thought it was Ilford.....?

[Squadron Leader]

It was a typpo. Obviously by the Engravers.

[PORTENCROSS]

The ba..s up made by our trophy folk has now come to light - and obviously kept me in confusion at the same time ... you shouldn't look under little pieces of black tape ! So, mistake well spotted as Ilford have not, as yet "pinched" your Town mantle !

[Southport - TOWNER]

funny tho'

 

anway talking of B**ls up back to the thread.....

 

Personally more than happy to be in the ESL. Not being part of the closed circle that surrounds football at this level; I have nver understood the benfits of Ryman 2; except new grounds and bars to visit.

 

Would be nice if some ESL grounds had better facilities but hey ho

 

looking fwd to a new season

 

 

[niftynigel]

I agree with LgeChairman, in that the Isthmian League should never have been allowed to 'poach' teams from other leagues!

 

Given that the IL2 is touted to be disappearing at the end of the 2004/5 season, then it wouldn't have taken too much extra thought into getting rid of it at the end of last season.

 

The Essex Senior, South Midlands, Combined Counties and Hellenic Leagues could easily have accommodated the homeless clubs. There may have needed to be a slight re-shuffle, with a couple of clubs moving from CCL to Hellenic and a couple of their clubs moving to Western (Almondsbury Town) and maybe a couple of others to Midland Alliance etc.

 

With all the Step Five leagues (14 now) up to 20-22-24 clubs, all strengthened, no need for extra re-organisation at this level.

 

Only a need to strengthen the structure further by looking at Step six (progressively).

 

We end up keeping all 14 feeder leagues, no recriminations, battles etc. Job Done!

 

The final piece to the jigsaw, would be bottom three in each Step Four division to be (possibly) relegated. Again, only champion clubs to be promoted from Step Five, so the reality is that only bottom two, at most would be relegated.

 

This would give flexibility and as I say avoids further costly and hurtful reorganisation.

[MbrunoB]

It hurts to say it but Southport just keeps on making sense.

[Gonzo]

Quote:

brunob said:
It hurts to say it but Southport just keeps on making sense.

Someone's clearly run out of their medication!?