Jay-Z vs The Beatles

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

Yeah, George Harrison says that on the Anthologies. I don't agree with that at all. Revolver was a tremendous step forward from Rubber Soul.

 

 

[mala_D]

It was...but then again, Tomorrow Never Knows is a fairly massive departure from the rest of Rubber Soul.

 

Lately, Robert Elms [bBC London 94.9] and Jonathan Ross have disparaged The Beatles by comparing Yellow Submarine with "God Only Knows" [beach Boys] and Waterloo Sunset. Talk about selective analysis.

But, if you've ever listened to Submarine with cans, or even the mono mix in stereo - Blimey!! That's a quality piece of recording, the backing harmonies are well "away" from the main harmony. In fact, once you listen to the backing harmonies, it's hard to sing the song in the same way again.

Now...if Barrett's Floyd had done Yellow Submarine it might be held in higher regard. Think Effervessing Elephant!

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

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Now...if Barrett's Floyd had done Yellow Submarine it might be held in higher regard.

That is an excellent point.

re: Elms/Ross. I presume they were taking the piss, or were they seriously trying to say the Beatles were inferior to the Beach Boys or the Kinks??

Both tremendous bands, but the Beatles are in a different class altogether.

[SteveP]

Maladroit, I've tried with CZ and Led Zep and he may be warming to them. Personal fave is and has always been Led Zep II.

 

On the Beatles issue it is a split for me between Abbey Rd and the White album depending on my mood.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

If you want a bad Beatles cover version, try listening to Jim Carey's(actor alegedly) 'I am the Walrus!'

[Chubbhead EFM]

For me, my top 5 fave Beatles albums go like this:

 

1.White Album

2.Let it be

3.Sgt. Pepper

4.Rubber soul

5.hmmmmmmm...it's between Abbey Road and Revolver.

 

Of course this list changes all the time!

[Chubbhead EFM]

re: Bad Beatles covers...

 

Celine Dion once covered 'Here, There and everywhere'.

 

Nuff said.

[mala_D]

Is that serious? I'm trying to find the "joke" in it.

As for Elms - he just dislikes the Beatles full stop, and will do anything to "prove" they were not as good as we all know. Don't know about Wossy? God Only Knows is a well crafted and recorded track - but none of Wilson's compositions have a patch on Beatles'.

Mind you, probably one of the best intros to a song - in my mind - is California Girls. Great intro, all shimmering guitars and bass harmonicas [whatever], very evocative, even spine tingling...but then it goes into that plodding twelve bar blues with shallow lyrics. Bummer.

 

Led Zep 3 is a good album too. Lots of different textures on that one. Folk, blues and metal. Who can dislike Since I've Been Loving You?

The only thing that lets Led Zep down [for me] is the lyrics. Not punchy or relevent or humourous enough.

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

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Of course this list changes all the time!

Hit the nail on the head there really, Chubbhead.

Whenever we have a Trophy game up north, and I go by coach, I always listen to Sgt Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour back to back.

There's something so quintessentially English about 1967-era Beatles, and I might be going mad, but Sgt Pepper always sounds so much better once you get north of Birmingham!

[Chubbhead EFM]

Mal- no really, Celine DID cover that track. I think it was on the same album as the Jim Carrey one FFUSA was talking about. Didn't George Martin put together an album of such covers to celebrate the Beatles or something? How could he!

 

Also, I have an album of a classical orchestra 'doing the Beatles'. Needless to say, the tracks don't translate as well as you would have thought they would.

 

Aas for the Beach Boys, as much as I love them, I don't think you can compare the two bands. They are essentially so different. How can you compare a band whose music is influenced by working-class-rainy-Liverpool to a band influenced by the sunny climes of America( i admit here and now my background knowledege of 't'Boys' is not great). It might seem like a stupid thing to say, but I think you can here the difference in the songs and the subject matter of the songs.

[SteveP]

No one could dispute that the Beatles are one of the best bands of all time. The diversity and quality of their back catalogue just speaks for itself.

 

Got to aggree with you on the lyrics front, too many mentions of 'Baby' and lack of depth could be considered a chink in the Led Zep armour. Tracks like 'Thank You' and 'Since I've Been Loving You' are stronger lyrical tracks. But musically they make up for it, very few bands could match them.

 

[JKiF]

Wossy's a Bowie maaaan, say no more...

 

Rubber soul or Revolver no.1 for me

 

Zep great stuff, ur right about the lyrics put me off for about 10 years...

 

 

As for best album ever...???

 

never understand how Pet Sounds always comes up tops

everyone knows its Autobahn -Kraftwerk.....

 

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[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

This Pet Sounds thing annoys me - it's not even the best Beach Boys album.

 

Smiley Smile, anyone??

 

 

[SteveP]

Beach Boys are a band I've admired from a far, they have their own unique sound but I've never really got in to it.

 

As for being a Bowie Man.. Well there's not much wrong with that, I reckon Ziggy Stardust is still a favourite. His recent comeback hasn't really bought up anything nearly as good, but after the concert last year he's still up there.

 

On balance, and this will probably change, my favourite album is still OK Computer.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Yep Chubb........you are right it is the George Martin Album........here we go again......bringing lumps to your throat and tears to your eyes......i went to a funeral recently of a 25 year old guy who died of alchohol poisoining after a Marines farewell party before they shipped out to Iraq......instead of a bible reading......they played there are places.....from that album....read by Sean Connery!......nuff said.

[Chubbhead EFM]

Good choice for a farewell. Ii think at my funeral (this is getting morbid!) I want 'Blue Jay Way' played OR 'Within you, Without You' OR 'a Day In The Life'. Cosmic, mmmmaaaaaannnnn!!!!

[JKiF]

Bowie - Heroes/Low/young Americans

 

 

 

great bowie covers

 

 

heroes- Billy Ocean

 

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

I always said I wanted A Day In The Life, but In My Life is an inspired choice. Might ditch Connery for the original, though!

 

Blue Jay Way would be cool too, Chubbster!

 

 

[SteveP]

I think 'Long and Winding Road' or 'Across The Universe' could be nice funeral songs.

 

Think I might go for Lennon's Instant Karma though

[Chubbhead EFM]

Yeah, I've gone for a hippie-vibe for my send off! I use to say that I wanted 'Monkey Gone To Heaven' by the Pixies played, but I've changed my mind!