v Maidstone United

[Irishadrian]

2 hours ago, Curtis said:

Really???

Please tell me what season we last had a four figure attendance for our opening home league match.

Excuse me for showing some positivity! New season New owners New finance New sponsors  and some really exciting plans and ambitions for the club plus a large number of claimed STHs and more publicity during this closed season than I can remember   Curtis What would you consider an acceptable crowd?  (Allowing that the weather is kind)

[codpiece]

As Dover aren’t running a supporters coach,I can’t see many of them coming by car.So any crowd over 800 would be acceptable to me.

[Irishadrian]

They did have one planned. Bookings to be made by 4th Aug and subsequently cancelled because it wouldn't have broken even! Maidenhead are away at Dorking next Saturday

[Reading Rebel]

On 05/08/2023 at 22:13, 3spirit said:

Sounds like we didn't get the rub of the green against Maidstone but there was no lack of effort from our lads. Not one team in the National South won away today which is unusual and I believe it was the same in the National League.  First games of the season mean little anyway.

Let's hope for have better luck against Dover.

Not sure managers, players and most supporters will agree with you 3spirit.

Ok on it's own it wont define our season but every game is important and should mean a lot.  

Edited August 8, 2023 by Reading Rebel

[Curtis]

19 hours ago, Irishadrian said:

a great crowd for the first home game is essential imo anything less than a four figure total would be very poor imo

 

19 hours ago, Curtis said:

Please tell me what season we last had a four figure attendance for our opening home league match.

In the last 10 seasons our opening home match attendances have been:-

2013/4 331, 2014/5 312, 2015/6 275, 2016/7 345, 2017/8 760, 2018/9 866, 2019/2020 874, 2020/1 N/A, 2021/2 639, 2022/3 467

Attendances were gradually building pre-pandemic, but have struggled since, so to say ‘anything less than a four figure total would be poor’ seems harsh.

Yes we did finish last season with some very good attendances, but there were a lot of incentives & promotions that led to that, and there may be incentives for our opening match on the 55,000 flyers handed out at schools that result in a big opening match attendance.

In summary, an attendance of 900 would be excellent & in the realms of what we haven’t seen since the days when the club were in the Conference, and 700 to 800 would still be encouraging as it would be better than than we have seen since 2019.

 

 

[Richierebel1]

Have the highlights been released yet of the game? From where I was I was 100% sure Hubert had the ball in his hands before Dan pushed their guy. They were trying to buy free kicks most of the game from that joke of a referee. 

[Irishadrian]

1 hour ago, Richierebel1 said:

Have the highlights been released yet of the game? From where I was I was 100% sure Hubert had the ball in his hands before Dan pushed their guy. They were trying to buy free kicks most of the game from that joke of a referee. 

On YouTube now. just enter team names and date!

[Richierebel1]

Just watched the highlights back and it's what I thought I saw live, no evidence that there was a hand ball for the penalty and their attacker wouldn't have got near the ball by the time Hubert kicked it away. The referee clearly wanted to send one of our players off from the start, twice he stopped the game to speak to our captain on the day Joe dandy, setting his stall out for later in the game.

[Irishadrian]

Richierebel I think the new rules re referees and confrontation aren't understood or even known by a lot of players or managers  If more than one player confronts a ref re a decision they can now all be yellowcarded  Our old friend the Weymouth manager claims he just looked in their refs direction raised his hands and yelled REF and he marched over and yellow carded him I can see a number of red cards being issued as the season advances solely  for verbal confrontation with the ref

[Irishadrian]

43 minutes ago, Irishadrian said:

Richierebel I think the new rules re referees and confrontation aren't understood or even known by a lot of players or managers  If more than one player confronts a ref re a decision they can now all be yellowcarded  Our old friend the Weymouth manager claims he just looked in their refs direction raised his hands and yelled REF and he marched over and yellow carded him I can see a number of red cards being issued as the season advances solely  for verbal confrontation with the ref twice in a game

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Irishadrian

[Windsor Rebel]

I was at the game but couldnt not see the penalty incident as was at the other end.

The penalty does look dubious, however no question about Dan Bayliss being sent off,

looks like he was caught out for pace and reacted to bring their player down.

Definite sending off.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Windsor Rebel

[Reading Rebel]

11 hours ago, Irishadrian said:

Richierebel I think the new rules re referees and confrontation aren't understood or even known by a lot of players or managers  If more than one player confronts a ref re a decision they can now all be yellowcarded  Our old friend the Weymouth manager claims he just looked in their refs direction raised his hands and yelled REF and he marched over and yellow carded him I can see a number of red cards being issued as the season advances solely  for verbal confrontation with the ref

Totally agree about players getting a yellow card and subsequently a red card for surrounding or chasing the ref pleading for a decision  complaining or moaning about something.

A manager shouting at a ref about something has always been part of the game and should be, as its always been, left to the discretion and tolerence levels of the ref. 

The thing is why does it need the FA to introduce these so called new rules when refs have always had the power to do something about it and in most cases have chosen not to. 

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Reading Rebel

[Reading Rebel]

 

[Reading Rebel]

Can't complain about the sending off, Dan Bayliss has got done for pace and fouled the player.

As for the penalty even in slow motion I cannot see the hand ball given against Prosser, absolute joke decision from a ref who looked far too eager to give the decisions that changed the game..

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Reading Rebel

[Irishadrian]

2 hours ago, Reading Rebel said:

Can't complain about the sending off, Dan Bayliss has got done for pace and fouled the player.

As for the penalty even in slow motion I cannot see the hand ball given against Prosser, absolute joke decision from a ref who looked far too eager to give the decisions that changed the game..

 

I've waded through the 6 pages of comments on the Maidstone forum and they are 100% sure regarding the sending off but regarding the penalty the fans saying it wasn't a penalty or doubtful are in the majority!

[Curtis]

From the highlights I can’t see a handball from the main camera or from the camera behind the goal, but on the sound there does appear to be a loud penalty appeal from their fans behind the goal (maybe a note to be taken by our fans that stand behind the goal) that may have influenced the ref.

On the red card, it should only be issued if it was a foul that denied a clear & obvious goal scoring opportunity. Personally I don’t think it was clear or obvious that the striker was getting to the ball before Hubert, and the referee wouldn’t have been able to determine from his positioning, the assistant referee would have been better positioned to make that determination but the referee doesn’t even discuss it with him.

 

[Guest Wycombe Rebel]

The laws regarding professional fouls were updated a while ago, Dan Bayliss at the worst should have got a yellow if the ref thought the striker was denied a goal scoring opportunity. If that decision goes to VAR, Dan wouldn’t even have been booked because Hubert got to the ball first therefore no goal scoring opportunity was denied.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Wycombe Rebel

[Reading Rebel]

Taken from Law 12 of the FA website

Sending-Off Offences 

A player is sent off and shown the red card if he commits any of the following offences:

• S1 is guilty of serious foul play
• S2 is guilty of violent conduct
• S3 spits at an opponent or any other person
• S4 denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
• S5 denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
• S6 uses offensive, insulting or abusive language
• S7 receives a second blue/yellow card in the same match        

• The following must be considered:

• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• location and number of defenders

[Guest Wycombe Rebel]

“The following must be considered:

distance between the offence and the goal

general direction of the play

likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball

location and number of defenders”

And there you have it!

[Windsor Rebel]

Exactly, a definite sending off