v Havant & Waterlooville

[Shredding Green]

1 hour ago, Jon Underwood said:

Just to be clear our players were “up” for the game but for reasons we are struggling to explain too many good players put in poor performances which were very out of character. 

We all went there believing we could get a win just like we did last season but if you play like that you’ll get nothing.

No panic here but clearly a reaction needed in training and in the two upcoming home games. I’m sure we’ll get it.

Some times, the change in atmospheric pressure when going from inland to the coast can have a slowing effect on a football team.

[3spirit]

1 minute ago, Shredding Green said:

Some times, the change in atmospheric pressure when going from inland to the coast can have a slowing effect on a football team.

SG, don't tell the players that, they'll have a great excuse when we play Eastbourne, Weymouth, Worthing, Dover ! Any others I've forgotten?

[Footyfan007]

35 minutes ago, 3spirit said:

Welcome Mr Hunt to our forum ! I know you've posted previously but thought I'd show we have 'no axes to grind' on here, and also now I know who you are when I moan about your son not playing well ! ha ha !  

Not the first time I've come across players dad's.Usually I get to meet player's dad's in person. I know it can't be easy watching a son play football in a cauldron partisan crowd. I have even plonked my size ten in it on the very odd occasion by slagging off a player to find out his dad or mum is standing next to me.Luckily for me it has only happened to me twice in over 40 years of watching football. The first time still makes me squirm with embarassment but it was funny and even the players dad took it in a good way. The good thing is I'm not one for shouting at players, and tend towards encouragement at games, unless I think a player is like a thug. This particular time I was moaning about the lack of commitment/desire the player was showing and commented to a mate next to me,to find out two fathers of two players were standing next to me also.     

The second time I was not the only one to be moaning about the player and a few of us were banged to rights by an upset mother of the player. Reading Rebel will testify to this,as it was he and I and a couple others who were discussing the merits of the said Slough player at a cup final not that long ago, to find out that we were standing next to most of this players family !  Talk about daggers and stormy waters ! ha ha ! Ironically, the player in question had one of his better games for Slough that day.

But on this forum, things are a little different in what is voiced !    

Well I am ex footballer, qualified coach and a scout along with just starting out my adventure as a football agent as well.

I don’t watch George through dad goggles, everyone has different opinions on footy however many people in the pro game have commented in on George and what his potential is giving his bad luck  he had.

Hes a local lad just doing his bit for Slough and he does not read forums.  He is very humble and works his socks off for whoever he plays for. 
 

I am not offended by any comments on here and just raise an eye brow at some as I believe I am experienced enough in football to know what’s what. 

Edited August 7, 2022 by Footyfan007

[Shredding Green]

9 minutes ago, 3spirit said:

SG, don't tell the players that, they'll have a great excuse when we play Eastbourne, Weymouth, Worthing, Dover ! Any others I've forgotten?

The first I heard of this excuse was by Manchester United in the FA Cup 3rd Round on 7th January 1984 : AFC Bournemouth  2  Manchester United  0.

I was at the much postponed FA Cup 2nd Round tie Windsor & Eton  0  AFC Bournemouth  0  on the damp evening of Tuesday 13th December 1983.

The match report of the 3rd Round tie makes interesting reading :-

Harry Redknapp said it was the greatest day of his life; Ron Atkinson thought Manchester United were a disgrace. Their 1984 FA Cup 3rd Round tie – one of several to bring the clubs together over the years – is among the greatest of all upsets and one of the most fondly remembered. Bournemouth were languishing near the bottom of the Third Division in early January and Redknapp was in his first season as a manager. Manchester United came to Dorset as FA Cup holders, fielding eight of the side that beat Brighton to win the 1983 FA Cup Final replay (A game that I was also at). Lou Macari made his last United appearance at Dean Court, coming on as a second-half substitute for Arthur Albiston when the First Division side found themselves two goals down and having to chase the game. The score remained unchanged, Bournemouth put the holders out and the newspapers carried pictures of the winners celebrating with champagne in their communal bath. Redknapp had just made a name for himself, and naturally made the most of it. “We’d been to Windsor & Eton in the previous round and got kicked to pieces,” he later recalled. “We got a draw and brought them back to ours knowing that whoever won the replay was going to play United. It was a proper old-fashioned Cup tie in the second round, a real tough game that we just scraped through. To be honest, we had less trouble with United than we did with Windsor & Eton."

While that sounds like typical Redknapp flannel, some of the losers’ accounts back up the idea that United were underprepared and overcomplacent in front of a small but raucous packed house of 14,782. “We really wanted to win,” Albiston insists. “We were nowhere near winning the league at that time so the FA Cup was really important to us. We won it in 1983 and 1985 but in between were knocked out by Bournemouth. Our attitude wasn’t bad, but we never got going even though we were at full strength – resting players in FA Cup games was unheard of back then. You could just sense that it was going to go wrong.”

So it did. Ian Thompson, scorer of the second goal after Milton Graham put the Cherries ahead from a corner in the second half, remembers a surreal day. “We were starstruck at first, with players like Bryan Robson and Ray Wilkins turning up on our pitch,” he says. “The only person who thought we could win was Harry – at least that’s what he said to us. Then when it was still scoreless at half-time we began to believe in ourselves. We had made a couple of chances by then and although there was nothing particularly wrong with the pitch, I don’t think United fancied it. We thought whoever scored first in the second half might have a chance and it turned out to be us. Where we were fortunate, I think, was in getting a second almost immediately. We might not have been any good at sitting on a 1-0 lead, but going from 1-0 to 2-0 in the space of a couple of minutes settled everybody down. We were quite comfortable after that."

As with every FA Cup shock, the legends surrounding the game subsequently took on a life of their own. Redknapp apparently told the players in his final team-talk that he had just seen the United players watching the racing in the lounge half an hour before kick-off, suggesting that they were not taking their opponents seriously. Redknapp swears this is true, though several players have since come to doubt it, even if it did work as motivation at the time.

AFC Bournemouth : Leigh, La Ronde, Sulley, Savage, Brown, Brignull, Train, Nightingale, Morgan, M Graham, Thompson.

Manchester United : Bailey, Moses, Albiston (Macari, h-t), Wilkins, Hogg, Duxbury, Robson, Mühren, Stapleton, Whiteside, A Graham.

[3spirit]

1 minute ago, Footyfan007 said:

Well I am ex footballer, qualified coach and a scout along with just starting out my adventure as a football agent as well.

I don’t watch George through through dad goggles, everyone has different opinions on footy however many people in the pro game have commented in on George and what his potential is giving his bad luck  he had.

Hes a local lad just doing his bit for Slough and he does not read forums.  He is very humble and works his socks off for whoever he plays for. 
 

I am not offended by any comments on here and just raise an eye brow at some as I believe I am experienced enough in football to know what’s what. 

We've gone from a load of Flash Harry's to everyone being humble all of a sudden ! What a load of baloney.

Obviously,you are going to be biased towards your son, as any good father would be.  I understand that. 

A lot of best young footballers don't make it into the 'game' for a variety of reasons but least things are improving in this regard.  Your lad has already experienced the ups and downs with football, so that should help his character building. As for working his socks off, everyone from a postman to a Prince can claim to have done that in life !  Do me a favour ! 

From my point of view, George has potential, and is fortunate to have found a club like Slough which have good insightful managers at the helm, to help him get back to his best. Of the games I've seen your son play, I can't say I've been bowled over by his mind blowing talent but I can see that he can make strides to get  his show back on the road, and for him to blossom he needs to play in a fairly good passing football side with clever players around him. No point him being in a cloggers eleven.

How old is George? The next two or three years should determine how far he is going to get. Having connections in the football world should help but it isn't going to be easy. To me this is a big season for George. 

You may be raising your eye brow in a Roger Moore way, to what I have written here ! ha ha    

 

[Sir Rebel1965]

2 hours ago, Shredding Green said:

Some times, the change in atmospheric pressure when going from inland to the coast can have a slowing effect on a football team.

You come out with some strange comments.

 

However,  lets investigate - there was a large High pressure over the country at 3pm yesterday, so the pressure was the same in Slough (1028 hPa) as it was in Havant (1028 hPa)- also the other variable in pressure is the hight above the sea - both grounds are around 25 metres above sea level - so no difference at all, so your theory is incorrect.

[Shredding Green]

41 minutes ago, Sir Rebel1965 said:

You come out with some strange comments.

 

However, let's investigate - there was a large high pressure over the country at 3pm yesterday, so the pressure was the same in Slough (1028 hPa) as it was in Havant (1028 hPa)- also the other variable in pressure is the height above the sea - both grounds are around 25 metres above sea level - so no difference at all, so your theory is incorrect.

You mean that my theory was not applicable to yesterday's match ... but there are often matches to which it is applicable.

[Sir Rebel1965]

2 hours ago, Shredding Green said:

You mean that my theory was not applicable to yesterday's match ... but there are often matches to which it is applicable.

Well, you have posted it against yesterday’s match, so what were we meant to think?

 

You came up with this "theory" for why we lost, what will it be next time we don't win - aliens?

Edited August 7, 2022 by Sir Rebel1965

[Footyfan007]

8 hours ago, 3spirit said:

We've gone from a load of Flash Harry's to everyone being humble all of a sudden ! What a load of baloney.

Obviously,you are going to be biased towards your son, as any good father would be.  I understand that. 

A lot of best young footballers don't make it into the 'game' for a variety of reasons but least things are improving in this regard.  Your lad has already experienced the ups and downs with football, so that should help his character building. As for working his socks off, everyone from a postman to a Prince can claim to have done that in life !  Do me a favour ! 

From my point of view, George has potential, and is fortunate to have found a club like Slough which have good insightful managers at the helm, to help him get back to his best. Of the games I've seen your son play, I can't say I've been bowled over by his mind blowing talent but I can see that he can make strides to get  his show back on the road, and for him to blossom he needs to play in a fairly good passing football side with clever players around him. No point him being in a cloggers eleven.

How old is George? The next two or three years should determine how far he is going to get. Having connections in the football world should help but it isn't going to be easy. To me this is a big season for George. 

You may be raising your eye brow in a Roger Moore way, to what I have written here ! ha ha    

 

No need to raise a roger moore eyebrow 3spirit! Your entitled to your opinion doesn’t mean I agree.

He’s just turned 21. 
 

 

[Irishadrian]

Attendance on Saturday declared as 732  Season opener in good weather  I'd have expected more

[Shredding Green]

Just now, Irishadrian said:

Attendance on Saturday declared as 732  Season opener in good weather  I'd have expected more

Irish Adrian, there were 17,855 at Fratton Park trying to enjoy a dull goalless draw between Portsmouth amd Lincoln City.

[Irishadrian]

1 hour ago, Shredding Green said:

Irish Adrian, there were 17,855 at Fratton Park trying to enjoy a dull goalless draw between Portsmouth amd Lincoln City.

Portsmouth average home league attendance last season  was 14400ish so I'm sure they're  pleased.

[Irishadrian]

2 hours ago, Shredding Green said:

Irish Adrian, there were 17,855 at Fratton Park trying to enjoy a dull goalless draw between Portsmouth amd Lincoln City.

Shredding G  Any predictions re our first home match attendance? Or anyone else?

[Irishadrian]

Some attendances on Saturday 

Dulwich H  just over 1800  about 1000 down on their expected figure

Newly arrived Worthing just over 1500

Newly arrived Weymouth just over 800

Newly arrived Cheshunt who came back from 0-2 to win 3-2   just over 400 !

[GlenSTFC]

5 hours ago, Shredding Green said:

Irish Adrian, there were 17,855 at Fratton Park trying to enjoy a dull goalless draw between Portsmouth amd Lincoln City.

Havants attendances are always higher when Portsmouth are away and with there being 100+ from Slough, just over 600 home fans would be a major concern I’m sure.

[3spirit]

8 hours ago, Footyfan007 said:

No need to raise a roger moore eyebrow 3spirit! Your entitled to your opinion doesn’t mean I agree.

He’s just turned 21. 
 

 

Fair point. To be honest I never got to enough games last season to write off anyone !

George is younger than I thought. I had him down as 23. Of the games I saw last season I thought he shone in a couple of home games but also had games where he was quiet and unable to be influential.Given his age and his injury record,of course it will take time for him to develop. Our managers and yourself have faith in him, and that is all that matters [currently].

Fans of football clubs look at situations very differently to those involved in the game. We only want our team to try to win and to put on a good show doing so. All players will get fan adulation and get stick from fans at the game and especially on a fans forum. I tend towards being honest and forthright in my opinions but I bear no malice/ill will to any player pulling on the amber and blue shirt of Slough Town FC. We all have favourites,players we admire,players we feel could do more and our pantomine villians in the team. That's part and parcel of watching the game we love called football.  

 

[Reading Rebel]

On attendances, it's peak holiday period which should be taken into account.

[GlenSTFC]

6 minutes ago, Reading Rebel said:

On attendances, it's peak holiday period which should be taken into account.

Which I guess doesn’t bode well for our attendance this coming Saturday… I’ll predict around 650.

[Shredding Green]

6 hours ago, Irishadrian said:

Shredding G  Any predictions re our first home match attendance? Or anyone else?

Hayes & Yeading United are at home to Steve Claridge's Salisbury, Brentford at home to Manchester United, Maidenhead United at home to Scunthorpe United and Wycombe Wanderers to Shrewsbury Town.

So lots of pressure on the Slough gate ... I guess 652.

[Reading Rebel]

If it's a competition on who's the nearest I'll go for 649 ?

  

33 minutes ago, GlenSTFC said:

Which I guess doesn’t bode well for our attendance this coming Saturday… I’ll predict around 650.

Not only that but Tonbridge are not the biggest draw and not sure they bring many away support.

Perhaps we should be looking to do some sort of cut price offer as it's the first home game of the season.

Edited August 8, 2022 by Reading Rebel