Hemel Hempstead A 11th Dec

[Irishadrian]

Hemel haven't had a good season so far and especially at home where they are one of two teams yet to win a home game ( paradoxically no team has won more away games which is where the bulk of their points have come) Both teams have scored 19 goals  our GD is -3  Hemels is -14

Of course it's down to performance on the day (we wouldn't  want another Tonbridge) but I would be surprised if we come away pointless.

[SloughFlyer]

Just back from the game. To the lads that saw out the point and the game in general, well done to all of you. Heart, effort and hardwork would have resulted in 3 points but for 1 player and 1 player only. The defence worked hard all ge throwing themselves in front of the ball blocking quite a few shots. Tenconi up front ran his socks off and deserved his goal. Midfield was a little hit and miss but in general covered the ground and worked hard. A few times they got played through, but it never really came to anything. 

What more can be said about Matt Lench, has made 100% the save of the season and to step up and go in goal, brilliant and hats off to him. Shame about the scramble for their second goal, but these things happen..............

[SloughFlyer]

JONATHON NORTH!!!!!!!!!

Once again has cost us due to a terrible decision and position leading to the handball.

This is without doubt the worst goalkeeper Slough have had since we have been going to watch which spans 32 years. His decision making once again has cost us points.

To Neil and Jon - quite a simple question, why do you keep picking such a bad player?

The bloke is rubbish, I've said it since the first game I watched this season (missed Chelmsford and Dartford), the sooner we wake up and get rid of him the better.

[GlenSTFC]

22 minutes ago, SloughFlyer said:

JONATHON NORTH!!!!!!!!!

Once again has cost us due to a terrible decision and position leading to the handball.

This is without doubt the worst goalkeeper Slough have had since we have been going to watch which spans 32 years. His decision making once again has cost us points.

To Neil and Jon - quite a simple question, why do you keep picking such a bad player?

The bloke is rubbish, I've said it since the first game I watched this season (missed Chelmsford and Dartford), the sooner we wake up and get rid of him the better.

Ok you’ve made it very clear you don’t like or rate the player but to say he’s the worst goalkeeper you’re seen play for Slough in 32 years is quite frankly laughable. Be interesting to see how many agree with your bold statement?

[GlenSTFC]

Glad we hung on as a draw was deserved if only for our battling performance. We were never going to hold onto our lead without a goalkeeper for over 30 minutes and was expecting them to go on and win. 

[Reading Rebel]

First of all well done to all the players for their effort and commitment in getting a point today.

Onto the game itself.

We took the lead from a good move and pass from Alfonso to George Hunt who scored via a deflection, not sure if the ball was going in anyway.

After our goal and for the remainder of the first half we were second best in most departments, easily sliced open in midfield and in particular down our left hand side where Max and Freddie were positioned.

There equalizing goal was well struck but we gave the scorer plenty of time and space to place his shot.

Second half continued in a similar vein to the first half where Hemel were just that bit quicker than us, winning most headers and second balls.

We took the lead mainly from the pace and persistence of Alfonso who I think got a toe to the ball to prod it home but stand to be corrected as some supporters think it was an own goal.

On the sending off, I was at the other end of the ground so didn't get a good view of it but not sure if it was necessary for Northy to come rushing out that far from his goal.

Once we were down to 10 men we instinctively dropped off to try to defend our lead making it mostly one way traffic which almost paid off until from a corner Hemel scrambled their equalizer.

Despite leading 2-1 and taking all things into consideration I think it was very good point to take from the game.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Reading Rebel

[Shredding Green]

1 hour ago, SloughFlyer said:

JONATHON NORTH!!!!!!!!!

Once again has cost us due to a terrible decision and position leading to the handball.

This is without doubt the worst goalkeeper Slough have had since we have been going to watch which spans 32 years. His decision making once again has cost us points.

To Neil and Jon - quite a simple question, why do you keep picking such a bad player?

The bloke is rubbish, I've said it since the first game I watched this season (missed Chelmsford and Dartford), the sooner we wake up and get rid of him the better.

That you can't spell his name correctly ... JONATHAN ... sums up the accuracy of your post, SloughFlyer. Why not balance his mistakes and bad matches in your post with his numerous excellent saves and blocks and good matches.

He was Man of The Match at Dartford on 21/8 and in my opinion, very unlucky to concede the winner to Chippenham Town on 28/8 when the ball dropped from the palms of his hands onto his left knee. Otherwise, he positioned himself perfectly for a difficult free kick.

Excerpts from the home match report against a very competetive Tonbridge Angels on 4/12 : i) a Tonbridge attack almost resulted into a two-goal lead, but North was there to deny Embery ii) Sonny Miles had a great chance to score for Tonbridge a few minutes later, but North made a smart save.

I have not seen the sending off today but it sounded as though the conditions contributed to it, "Northy came out and the ball fizzed off the surface" from which I think
Neil Baker is implying that Northy "could not reasonably have been expected to accurately anticipate what the ball was going to do".

Well, that's my definition of the meaning of "fizzed" in this context!

[Irishadrian]

IMO the correct way to judge a keeper is not to look only at errors and misjudgements which may cost goals and points but also to look at the number of excellent saves  made  often in the course of a game that keeps his team on top and earns points

[Reading Rebel]

I don't often disagree to any great extent with SF but I have to on his point about Jon North.

All players at every level make mistakes but when a keeper does it will quite often be costly because they are the last line of defense.

Along with every other keeper in the land Northy has made some mistakes this season but he has also made far more excellent saves to either save us from a defeat or get us the 3 points.

 

 

 

 

[Reading Rebel]

43 minutes ago, Shredding Green said:

That you can't spell his name correctly ... JONATHAN ... sums up the accuracy of your post, SloughFlyer. Why not balance his mistakes and bad matches in your post with his numerous excellent saves and blocks and good matches.

He was Man of The Match at Dartford on 21/8 and in my opinion, very unlucky to concede the winner to Chippenham Town on 28/8 when the ball dropped from the palms of his hands onto his left knee. Otherwise, he positioned himself perfectly for a difficult free kick.

Excerpts from the home match report against a very competetive Tonbridge Angels on 4/12 : i) a Tonbridge attack almost resulted into a two-goal lead, but North was there to deny Embery ii) Sonny Miles had a great chance to score for Tonbridge a few minutes later, but North made a smart save.

I have not seen the sending off today but it sounded as though the conditions contributed to it, "Northy came out and the ball fizzed off the surface" from which I think
Neil Baker is implying that Northy "could not reasonably have been expected to accurately anticipate what the ball was going to do".

Well, that's my definition of the meaning of "fizzed" in this context!

TBF Shredding I'm really not sure spelling a players name wrong is any indication of the accuracy of a post. 

[Neil Baker]

Simple answer SF, I/we disagree completely with your assessment, yes he got sent off today, have seen it hundreds of times before, he did not let us or the players down, it happens on a football pitch, if he had head butted someone or punched someone then I would agree.

Yes he has made some mistakes (as have numerous of keepers for us), he has also made some fantastic saves, plus he is also a brilliant person around the club which you know we also put a huge emphasis on.

All I ask is that in future you try and support him, we get you have your right to your opinion, however he will be our first choice keeper all season unless he picks up an injury.

[SloughFlyer]

51 minutes ago, Neil Baker said:

Simple answer SF, I/we disagree completely with your assessment, yes he got sent off today, have seen it hundreds of times before, he did not let us or the players down, it happens on a football pitch, if he had head butted someone or punched someone then I would agree.

Yes he has made some mistakes (as have numerous of keepers for us), he has also made some fantastic saves, plus he is also a brilliant person around the club which you know we also put a huge emphasis on.

All I ask is that in future you try and support him, we get you have your right to your opinion, however he will be our first choice keeper all season unless he picks up an injury.

Thanks for the response Neil.

Much like with Ryan Bird earlier in the season, I would love to see him prove me dead wrong and I will be happy to admit to being wrong.

The worst part for me was not the handball, it was once again his terrible decision to be positioned where he was. He almost cost us a potential goal 10 minutes before by rushing out and only just getting there in front of the forward and putting it out for a throw, then 5 minutes before getting sent off he dilly dallied over a ball and slipped over almost gifting them another goal!

If he gives me something to support then rest assured he will get it 100%.

I also think it's a great shame that either of the under 23 keepers won't be getting a chance unless North gets injured as I would think that giving no competition for his place means regardless of errors, poor performances or otherwise, he plays no matter what. Then again I guess that's why you and Jon are the managers and I'm not.

Edited December 11, 2021 by SloughFlyer

[SloughFlyer]

1 hour ago, Reading Rebel said:

I don't often disagree to any great extent with SF but I have to on his point about Jon North.

All players at every level make mistakes but when a keeper does it will quite often be costly because they are the last line of defense.

Along with every other keeper in the land Northy has made some mistakes this season but he has also made far more excellent saves to either save us from a defeat or get us the 3 points.

 

 

 

 

RR - whilst the mistakes are upsetting, these things happen. For me, it's primarily his decision making, specifically his constant rushing out of goal and positioning himself very poorly. Match after match he makes poor decisions that I'm sure as defenders must put pressure on.

Today as a great example, he decided to come out of his area to put himself in that position for the ball (which I'm sure actually flicked of off Nis's head) to run wide of him forcing him to handball it. Come half way, close the angle down and as the ball flicks of off the defender / fizzes of the surface, you walk forward and pick it up. There are many other examples of this as well. Add in the mistakes as well, and we get to were we are. 

[SloughFlyer]

2 hours ago, Shredding Green said:

That you can't spell his name correctly ... JONATHAN ... sums up the accuracy of your post, SloughFlyer. Why not balance his mistakes and bad matches in your post with his numerous excellent saves and blocks and good matches.

He was Man of The Match at Dartford on 21/8 and in my opinion, very unlucky to concede the winner to Chippenham Town on 28/8 when the ball dropped from the palms of his hands onto his left knee. Otherwise, he positioned himself perfectly for a difficult free kick.

Excerpts from the home match report against a very competetive Tonbridge Angels on 4/12 : i) a Tonbridge attack almost resulted into a two-goal lead, but North was there to deny Embery ii) Sonny Miles had a great chance to score for Tonbridge a few minutes later, but North made a smart save.

I have not seen the sending off today but it sounded as though the conditions contributed to it, "Northy came out and the ball fizzed off the surface" from which I think
Neil Baker is implying that Northy "could not reasonably have been expected to accurately anticipate what the ball was going to do".

Well, that's my definition of the meaning of "fizzed" in this context!

You must be right SG, having not seen it today yours is a far more accurate depiction of what happened than mine (who of course saw it live and in living colour).?.

As for Dartford, being MoM in a 3-0 loss doesn't really fill me with confidence (but I also didn't pass judgement at all, for those hard of hearing at the back, I didnt see the Chelmsford or Dartford games so can't, unlike you, pass judgement on them).

I do like the attempt at "evidence" you have used, but I'm sure you are aware for every good line you can use I can counter with a bad one, hence my opinion of the player in question.

As for spelling his name wrong, im pretty sure you knew to whom I was referring, but if you are unsure, it was our starting goalkeeper on the team sheet today.

What always amuses me with posts such as yours is you clearly believe that your opinion is the correct one (as implied in the accuracy part) and no-one can differ from your view. Unfortunately, thats not the way the world works and as much as you may disagree, my opinion is just a valid as yours.

[SloughFlyer]

4 hours ago, GlenSTFC said:

Ok you’ve made it very clear you don’t like or rate the player but to say he’s the worst goalkeeper you’re seen play for Slough in 32 years is quite frankly laughable. Be interesting to see how many agree with your bold statement?

Glen - not worried at all if every Slough fan, the team, the management and every person that's ever seen North put on a pair of gloves disagrees or agrees with me in the slightest, I would think my time on the forum would have shown that. 

Out of interest, in the past 32 years, who has been worse?

[GlenSTFC]

11 minutes ago, SloughFlyer said:

Glen - not worried at all if every Slough fan, the team, the management and every person that's ever seen North put on a pair of gloves disagrees or agrees with me in the slightest, I would think my time on the forum would have shown that. 

Out of interest, in the past 32 years, who has been worse?

Sean Lahiff, or did he escape your memory!

12 minutes ago, SloughFlyer said:

Glen - not worried at all if every Slough fan, the team, the management and every person that's ever seen North put on a pair of gloves disagrees or agrees with me in the slightest, I would think my time on the forum would have shown that. 

Out of interest, in the past 32 years, who has been worse?

Maybe you don’t care, but surely if that was the case there’s just the slightest of chances your assessment may be completely wrong?

[SloughFlyer]

15 minutes ago, GlenSTFC said:

Sean Lahiff, or did he escape your memory!

Maybe you don’t care, but surely if that was the case there’s just the slightest of chances your assessment may be completely wrong?

Sean Lahiff v North - very close and as we have now heard North will be the starting goalkeeper for the season regardless, not the best comparison as Lahiff only got 15 games. Still got North as worse though.

The problem is Glen, that not every person disagrees with me and as much as I'm sure the 10-15 of us that post on here would like to think we cover all of those people and have the entire opinion on everything STFC, we don't! I have spoken at length with a Wealdstone fan who saw North who was happy to see him go in the end (due to performances), I've also spoken to other Slough fans that share my opinion as well as a couple of "casual fans" that come to the odd game that can see what I can see.

I'm also quite looking forward to the rest of the season and the world of the forum, Neil and Jon and even Jonathan North himself proving me wrong and rubbing my face in it when he wins us 10 games on his own, as that'll mean I'll get what I want, which is a good performing keeper for Slough.

Edited December 11, 2021 by SloughFlyer

[GlenSTFC]

7 minutes ago, SloughFlyer said:

Sean Lahiff v North - very close and as we have now heard North will be the starting goalkeeper for the season regardless, not the best comparison as Lahiff only got 15 games. Still got North as worse though.

The problem is Glen, that not every person disagrees with me and as much as I'm sure the 10-15 of us that post on here would like to think we cover all of those people and have the entire opinion on everything STFC, we don't! I have spoken at length with a Wealdstone fan who saw North who was happy to see him go in the end (due to performances), I've also spoken to other Slough fans that share my opinion as well as a couple of "casual fans" that come to the odd game that can see what I can see.

I'm also quite looking forward to the rest of the season and the world of the forum, Neil and Jon and even Jonathan North himself proving me wrong and rubbing my face in it when he wins us 10 games on his own, as that'll mean I'll get what I want, which is a good performing keeper for Slough.

No player stays at one club and progresses up the leagues for such a long time as JN did at Wealdstone by not being a very good player. At the end of the day JN has done a lot more positive than negative in his short time with us.

[SloughFlyer]

8 minutes ago, GlenSTFC said:

No player stays at one club and progresses up the leagues for such a long time as JN did at Wealdstone by not being a very good player. At the end of the day JN has done a lot more positive than negative in his short time with us.

You say "at the end of the day" as if that makes it factual Glen, you saying that is noore factual that anything I've said and I 100% disagree.

I think what is factual is we will not agree on North as a player currently, and let's hope you are the one that's proven right by the end of the season. Time will tell on that, fingers crossed on my end and clearly 100% trust and belief on yours.

[GlenSTFC]

You’re something else aren’t ya… Ok my error for using a figure of speech didn’t realise you analyse every word!!! Yes I think the majority will disagree with your assessment and at the end of the… whoops ! it’s the managers’ decision and as they’ve said they completely disagree with you too.