Penalties

[sdelaney]

Only played for a team when I was young and have not taken a penalty.

Question is it a rule that players must stand on the half way line and not move another 10 - 15 yards nearer the goal to stop that long walk.

Now that goalies must stand on the goal line at all time not touch the posts and net.

I know players have there methods but stuttering up to take the kick should be stopped.

For England I realise Kane can not give his knowledge of taking them while still playing but we have Shearer and Lineker two of the best takers why aren't they asked to give players there knowledge and hints especially in heated atmospheres.

But as I say what do I know.

 

[Reading Rebel]

11 minutes ago, sdelaney said:

Only played for a team when I was young and have not taken a penalty.

Question is it a rule that players must stand on the half way line and not move another 10 - 15 yards nearer the goal to stop that long walk.

Now that goalies must stand on the goal line at all time not touch the posts and net.

I know players have there methods but stuttering up to take the kick should be stopped.

For England I realise Kane can not give his knowledge of taking them while still playing but we have Shearer and Lineker two of the best takers why aren't they asked to give players there knowledge and hints especially in heated atmospheres.

But as I say what do I know.

 

Don't know the answer to your first question about players standing on the half way line when a penalty is taken. I would guess that it's in the rules.

Keepers must have at least one foot on the goal line when the ball is kicked.

I'm pretty sure any break in a players run up when taking a penalty was banned some time ago but for some reason it's now allowed. 

I'm all for only allowing one continuous run up when taking a penalty.

I'm sure football coaches/ex footballers have the knowledge to give and I'm sure they do but re-creating the same atmosphere and pressure is impossible.  

[sdelaney]

I suppose if both teams move up ten to fifteen yards being closer to the taker more chance of opposition team barracking the penalty taker.

[Longshot]

Not sure if it is in the laws of the game but the 2 teams have always stood on the halfway line since penalty kicks were introduced.  As far as the laws are concerned they seem to be ignored these days, What has happened to the throw in law, {Ball thrown from behind the head and both feet on the floor}  it seems to be totally ignored these days, I think approx 7 of every 10 throws are foul ones but rarely penalised.  Also has the law been removed where the keeper can only hold the ball for 6 seconds. Is there a current Ref on here who can tell me if this law still applies.  I watched a game last year where the keeper of the team in the lead caught the ball, I started counting slowly from when he caught it and got to 29 when he finally kicked it.  Somebody must know.

[Reading Rebel]

16 hours ago, Longshot said:

Not sure if it is in the laws of the game but the 2 teams have always stood on the halfway line since penalty kicks were introduced.  As far as the laws are concerned they seem to be ignored these days, What has happened to the throw in law, {Ball thrown from behind the head and both feet on the floor}  it seems to be totally ignored these days, I think approx 7 of every 10 throws are foul ones but rarely penalised.  Also has the law been removed where the keeper can only hold the ball for 6 seconds. Is there a current Ref on here who can tell me if this law still applies.  I watched a game last year where the keeper of the team in the lead caught the ball, I started counting slowly from when he caught it and got to 29 when he finally kicked it.  Somebody must know.

On the foul throw issue, I've noticed linesmen don't tend to look at the players feet they always seem to look down the defensive line seemingly looking for offside. Not sure why because surely their first job at a throw in is to make sure it's a legal one. 

On the keeper holding the ball, it now seems to be left down to the discretion of the ref rather than a set number of seconds.

[Longshot]

RR, My point is, If they are not going to implement these laws then they should be removed, When was the last time you saw a keeper pulled up for this. In my opinion there is a lot wrong with the game these days, Foul throws, keeper holding the ball too long, Players falling to the floor with the slightest of contact, Players either kicking the ball away or picking it up and running off with it after a free kick is given against them, Players going down injured then when no decision is given for them they get up and run off.  I could go on, Why are cards not issued for these antics ?. Players know that they are not punished for these things so they are doing them even more.

[Reading Rebel]

3 hours ago, Longshot said:

RR, My point is, If they are not going to implement these laws then they should be removed, When was the last time you saw a keeper pulled up for this. In my opinion there is a lot wrong with the game these days, Foul throws, keeper holding the ball too long, Players falling to the floor with the slightest of contact, Players either kicking the ball away or picking it up and running off with it after a free kick is given against them, Players going down injured then when no decision is given for them they get up and run off.  I could go on, Why are cards not issued for these antics ?. Players know that they are not punished for these things so they are doing them even more.

I've said it for a long time now refs are fools to themselves by not being strong enough in their discipline and decision making.

Take for example players surrounding the ref complaining and giving him abuse. It only goes on because refs allow it to go on and players take advantage of their weakness.

That seems to be another law that's gone by the wayside where only the skipper was allowed to approach the ref.

Before every game if the ref approaches both teams and makes it clear that if any player other than the skipper surrounds or approaches him after a decision is made they will be booked and then red carded if they do it again or remain in his face I'm sure players would think twice about doing it. The same goes with gobbing off to the ref or asking for another player to be booked.  

[SloughFlyer]

I'd take away the yellow card portion of that example above RR. Straight red to anyone surrounding the ref, asking for cards or for the VAR to be checked. They would soon stop doing it.

[Bernie Gogan]

Sometimes offences are worth more than a yellow, but not enough for a red e.g. Chiellini's concerted wrestling of Saka to the ground when obviously outstripped on the touchline. Next foul's a red maybe?

[Reading Rebel]

33 minutes ago, Bernie Gogan said:

Sometimes offences are worth more than a yellow, but not enough for a red e.g. Chiellini's concerted wrestling of Saka to the ground when obviously outstripped on the touchline. Next foul's a red maybe?

It wasn't a red card because he wasn't the last man stopping a goal scoring opportunity or a dangerous tackle.

Perhaps there should be an orange card for an offence somewhere in the middle and they get a 10 minute sin bin  

[Curtis]

8 hours ago, Reading Rebel said:

It wasn't a red card because he wasn't the last man stopping a goal scoring opportunity or a dangerous tackle.

They aren’t the only offences that result in a red card, could it have been considered ‘serious foul play’ or ‘violent conduct’? Personally I was surprised that this incident & the foul on Grealish were not reviewed by VAR.

[Reading Rebel]

16 hours ago, Curtis said:

They aren’t the only offences that result in a red card, could it have been considered ‘serious foul play’ or ‘violent conduct’? Personally I was surprised that this incident & the foul on Grealish were not reviewed by VAR.

Not sure that pulling someone back by his shirt collar would be considered 'serious foul play' or 'violent conduct'.

[Guest Wycombe Rebel]

I took penalties from a very young age until I quit playing, can't remember how many I took but I know I only missed 2, the keeper didn't not save either, one hit the post and the other wide.

I was coached to always go to the side of the goalkeepers kicking leg as they have more power pushing off that leg, so if they are right footed always go to the left as they will stand more chance pushing off the right leg to the right side to make a save and vice versa. Also, as a right footer, I always found going to the left was more natural for a right footed penalty taker as you get a cleaner strike (unless you are Harry Maguire!). 

The pressure cooker of Wembley the other night, the pressure can get to anyone and better players than Rashford, Sancho and Saka have missed penalties, only way to deal with it is more experience and these young lads will get that.

One interesting thing I did read, when practicing penalties, England used Pickford, Johnstone and Ramsdale. None of them are of the same stature as Donnarumma, so going into the game, why not draft in a keeper of the same physical stature?? Found it interesting this take on things as Donnarumma looked huge in that goal and initimidating. In that instance, I wouldn't recommend placement unless you are a specialist taker, just do what Maguire did and take the goalkeepers head off if he gets in the way!

[Guest Wycombe Rebel]

17 hours ago, Curtis said:

They aren’t the only offences that result in a red card, could it have been considered ‘serious foul play’ or ‘violent conduct’? Personally I was surprised that this incident & the foul on Grealish were not reviewed by VAR.

The tackle by Jorginho on Grealish was 100% a red card.

The neck of the shirt tug I'm on the fence, it's a yellow BUT some refs would give a red, it's almost assault, well it would be in the street anyway!

[sdelaney]

One way of knocking the confidence and stuffing out of these young players knowing penalties were on the cards.

[Reading Rebel]

With the Grealish one the ref had a great view of it but even if he didn't see it properly where was VAR when it was needed.

Seeing it replayed back in slow motion I cannot believe VAR looked at it and thought it wasn't a red card.

[SloughFlyer]

The problem for me with the Grelish one was earlier in the tournament, tackles like that were red cards. The "follow through" after the ball had 2/3 players sent off, so how Jorginiho stayed on the pitch is a mystery.

[RebelVilla]

I think the fact that Jorginho played the ball before making contact with Jack Grealish probably swayed the ref in giving a yellow and not a straight red. I though the ref was a little lenient in dishing out the cards, having said that he still booked 5 of the Italian team. The Chiellini decision raises an interesting point, the young lad Saka was past him and away and it was 100% deliberate with no attempt to play the ball (let alone chance of reaching the ball) therefore maybe the rules should be changed in insidences of gamesmanship or unsporting behaviour that a straight red can be given. The tournament on the whole did impress me as VAR was a lot less intrusive in the games compared to the Premier League games, it hardly seemed to interfere with the matches at all.

[Reading Rebel]

48 minutes ago, RebelVilla said:

I think the fact that Jorginho played the ball before making contact with Jack Grealish probably swayed the ref in giving a yellow and not a straight red. I though the ref was a little lenient in dishing out the cards, having said that he still booked 5 of the Italian team. The Chiellini decision raises an interesting point, the young lad Saka was past him and away and it was 100% deliberate with no attempt to play the ball (let alone chance of reaching the ball) therefore maybe the rules should be changed in insidences of gamesmanship or unsporting behaviour that a straight red can be given. The tournament on the whole did impress me as VAR was a lot less intrusive in the games compared to the Premier League games, it hardly seemed to interfere with the matches at all.

TBH I can't remember VAR ever being mentioned for confirming or changing a decision.

Certainly none of those ridiculous lines being drawn.

[Radders]

The lines were definitely there. I remember seeing images of them checking maguires goal against Ukraine and Kane’s against Germany amongst others. I read somewhere that the difference is they had a designated VAR assistant for offsides whereas in the premier league it’s all checked by the same people. So that person can focus just on that and therefore probably be a lot quicker.