V Gloucester City H 2nd Feb

[Curtis]

1 hour ago, kirk said:

Tell me why we struggle against teams lower than us.

For the same reason we tend to do well against teams higher than us.

We are one of the most highly unpredictable teams in the league (along with St Albans)..... and that is from official independent statistical analysis I found yesterday.

Happy to provide a link to the relevant site later if you want.

[Reading Rebel]

37 minutes ago, 3spirit said:

Trouble is, these young players go to league football clubs and think they have made it, before they have. So when they come to a non league club, they often think they are Bertie Big Boll**ks and that the non league club are lucky to have them. When in fact there are loads of better players around, than they are, playing non league football week in/week out, who for whatever reason, have missed the opportunity to go higher.

Rather than feel honoured that a non league club wants them, they think they are doing the non league club a big favour.

If I was a manager at a football club, before signing a young player on loan [or any player come to that], I would ask questions on what type of personality they have/background info, beforehand, as well as about football ability, as this can be very important, when finding the right player for the team.

It's called due diligence which we know our managers do.

The trouble with most loan signings from league clubs is that often you don't get to see the player actually play and have to take the word of the owning club.  

It's the nature of the loan system, some you win some you lose. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by Reading Rebel

[3spirit]

1 hour ago, kirk said:

Tell me why we struggle against teams lower than us.

It never easy to explain such things, as there are always different factors to be taken into account.

I feel Slough have gone off the boil for a number of reasons, in the main being the loss of James Dobson and to lesser extent,Scott Davies.

The over reliance on Matt Lench, since he came back, to create something out of nothing. The emphasis on Warren Harris to make something happen. The need for Lee Togwell to play every game because we have no faith in anyone else. The sporadic form of Chris Flood and Ben Harris.      

The psychology of when we play a top team, our players know they have to be at their best to get anything from the game and often want to look good in the big matches/in front of big crowds but when we play the poorer teams/smaller crowds, a few of the Slough players,think it's going to be a forgone conclusion that Slough will win ,and so expect others to do the hard graft and make the play for them. A few of them haven't got the will to win or the desire to show the way and I think a couple of players are treading water because they have been overlooked in the main, and couple only want to to it on their terms.

The 45 minutes of believing in what they are doing, and the 45 minutes of slacking off,losing their way, and mediocre performance.

Reading the above back, makes them sound terrible but I don't believe they are. All teams have loss of form. This is the first hitch we've had this season and by and large, it's been a successful season, so I don't believe it's a crisis that can't be put right.

I just think, now's the time, for some fine tuning, and to get the players to dig in and show what they are made of.

If any of them shirk that responsibility, then they should be made aware, that they will have to look for another club, to hide at, as Slough need workers not shirkers, to finish the season with. And with that in mind, to lay the foundations for next season.

[Shredding Green]

2 hours ago, 3spirit said:

That's a pity. As Bakes alluded to in a previous interview, these loans of young players from league clubs are always a gamble. I find that because these players come from league clubs, they often think they are better than they are and there is a reluctance to put the body on the line for the new team [as it is only a loan]. It has to be said, though, it is always difficult for any new player to come into a team and perform wonders straight away, so it's always asking a lot of these young loanees. Given that Tommy has only made two sub appearances, I wouldn't be too judgemental on him yet but the trouble is for him, is that Slough need to pick up points soon, and can't afford him not to get involved, so I think his game time may be even more limited now [after the Hampton and Gloucester results].

When I first saw Dejon Noel- Williams play [Wealdstone away match], I knew we weren't going to be successful with him,as the ball landed into an open area of the pitch in the Wealdstone half and Dejon was the nearest Slough player to the ball, so he ran towards to the ball with little speed, and Manny Williams overtook him and got to the ball first ! ha ha ! [great big young strapping lad gets overtaken by the oldest bloke in the team, that said it all for me].

To be fair, against Hampton, Tommy did chase after the ball and want to get it, so's that's an improvement on last time.

Having just listened to Unders interview after the Gloucester match, sounds like we are going to have a couple of experienced players arriving soon, which after our poor run of results of late, looks to be needed.

When players are out on loan, they are closely monitored by their parent club which liaises with the management of the loaning club on all aspects of their game. If their loan period sufficiently improves their game and other aspects, they return stronger to their parent club. If not, they become available for transfer. 

[3spirit]

49 minutes ago, Reading Rebel said:

It's called due diligence which we know our managers do.

The trouble with most loan signings from league clubs is that often you don't get to see the player actually play and have to take the word of the owning club.  

It's the nature of the loan system, some you win some you lose. 

I agree ,RR.

The trouble with some you win, some you lose theory, is that it seems to be loaded in favour of more duds, than winners.

[3spirit]

17 minutes ago, Shredding Green said:

When players are out on loan, they are closely monitored by their parent club which liaises with the management of the loaning club on all aspects of their game. If their loan period sufficiently improves their game and other aspects, they return stronger to their parent club. If not, they become available for transfer. 

SG, it's not a question of what a player does at his parent club.

The topic we're discussing, is why young players [from professional clubs] on loan at a non league clubs, often fail to make the grade. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by 3spirit

[Reading Rebel]

30 minutes ago, 3spirit said:

I agree ,RR.

The trouble with some you win, some you lose theory, is that it seems to be loaded in favour of more duds, than winners.

A bit like gambling, you're more likely to lose than win.

[Reading Rebel]

22 minutes ago, 3spirit said:

SG, it's not a question of what a player does at his parent club.

The topic we're discussing, is why young players [from professional clubs] on loan at a non league clubs, often fail to make the grade. 

I think SG was just saying what's been said previously, loan players are under the spotlight from their parent club who for obvious reasons want to see them do well and make progression.

[sdelaney]

One thing that has not been mentioned is that these young players are not used to playing against experienced no nonsense defenders like we have in our league week in week out so when the chances to score come along they need to take them for their confidence to grow. But the word that 3spirit used in post was desire Matty Stevens had that and hunger in spades you could see he wanted to give his all for the team club and supporters as said having that experience at Kettering also helped. I know the lad from Fulham last season scored a few goals but I always thought he was holding back there were instances where he did not want to get involved is it because they are thinking I do not want to get injured and so put my career on hold with the parent club.

These players over time might do well in their careers but so far Matty wil be the only one who wil look back in years to come and remember his time playing for Kettering and Slough all the others it will be a distant memory.

[Irishadrian]

I think the parent clubs try to get them higher status clubs with each successive loan For example Elijah Adibayo who did well for us a few seasons ago has recently played for Swindon Town  and is now with Division 2 Stevenage

[Irishadrian]

Also when Matty Stevens was just warming a bench after his recall from us Neil was told if they loaned him again it would be minimum a National League side or even higher.

[rebelade]

FYI in 2019 alone Slough have conceded a goal in the first 7 minutes of the second half 6 times in 5 games and have lost them all, if we get to 8 minutes in without conceding then we are unbeaten this year.

Any chance we can get the Ref to forego half time 

[Shredding Green]

5 hours ago, Reading Rebel said:

I think SG was just saying what's been said previously, loan players are under the spotlight from their parent club who for obvious reasons want to see them do well and make progression.

You got it Reading Rebel. That is exactly what I was saying.