Town Exiles (Ilford FC) 2 Enfield Town FC 2

[Pavagrotti]

Town walked away with a point today and it had to be another match where two points were lost and not won.

 

Pitch was in a poor condition, needs a grounds man desperately!

 

After 2 minutes Danny Clarke made a lovely goal for Bradley Brotherton to slot home 1- 0. All in the garden was roses for a few minutes.

 

Ref has a rush of blood to the head and awards Ilford a penalty for a dive. 1 – 1. I don’t think this was conspiracy just the alternative word we use on these occasions.

 

Rest of first half was not good for ref.

 

Town well in control except when the ref needed to assist Ilford.

 

Second half all coasting along nicely, Town sat back and Ilford ran in on Chopper who missed the catch leaving an easy slot home for Ilford.

 

Town went on the offensive and Clarkee was scythed down for a penalty, although the linesman only gave a corner. Snowden nailed penalty 2 – 2.

 

If we don’t start playing better than this it will be the ESL for another season!

 

Mark Pearce played for Town for the first time. Fenn, Alleyne and Grant played for Ilford. Cooper didn’t have a good game.

 

[AbbeyMan]

More points dropped and you blame the ref! From reading earlier posts nothing different there then?

[lovely stuff]

Nothing different about the ref. <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

 

How did the mid-table men get on against Sawbo today-Del.???

[AbbeyMan]

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lovely stuff said:
Nothing different about the ref. <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

How did the mid-table men get on against Sawbo today-Del.???

Lost 1-2 <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Hmm... 5th & 6th places in the league = "mid-table" ?? Maths is obviously NOT your strongest point! <img src="/images/graemlins/angel.gif" alt="" />

The "AbbeyBurgers" are becoming legendary. <img src="/images/graemlins/affig.gif" alt="" />

[Pavagrotti]

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AbbeyMan said:
The "AbbeyBurgers" are becoming legendary. <img src="/images/graemlins/affig.gif" alt="" />

They weren't that memorable when we came to you, except there weren't the right quantities.

What is memorable - food poisoning, indigestion or are we talking abbot the friars in the monestery now? Silly burgers! <img src="/images/graemlins/alk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/alk.gif" alt="" />

[Badger]

The scorers are down for the wrong teams on the review of this match on the ETFC website.

[Steph]

>>Cleggy

 

It must be so far from the pitch which affected your eyes. I also saw in Non-League that it was an "end to end game". No it wasn't if the result had not mattered so much it was a dire middle of the pitch battle with, due to the conditions, the last 20 minutes a catalogue of mistakes by both sides.

 

I do not think the ref was bad and you have to really be one sided if you thought that the ref was the reason for the result. We got what we deserved, a point, as did Ilford. It was funny that both goals in open play were goal keeping errors. Yes it was chopper's fault, he called for the ball, the Ilford goal.

 

Similarly the Ilford goalkeeper should have got to the Brotherton goal.

 

Also the penalties. I did not think that Ilford's penalty was a penalty. Snowdon got to the ball cleanly and then the attacker crashed into him. If the ref thought it was a penalty why did he not at least book Snowdon as clearly Snowdon was the last defender.

 

I was also surprised at the Clarke penalty. The lino was in a perfect position and you are right he was flagging for a corner. The ref had a similar view to me, on the opposite side, although obviously he was nearer. I just did not see a foul.

 

So there we are. Anybody want an outside bet on Sawbo for the league. Concord's game postponed yesterday and in the vase next week. Hope Concord draw or win next week. The league this year is more exciting than it has been since the town have been in it. Brilliant.

 

 

[lovely stuff]

A draw was a fair result.....Even though Town battled well,i was still dissapointed with our performance both in defence and creatively.

 

We need to sort our defence out....Baldwin had a poor game,probably because he was carrying an injury but also bacause he is never a left back.

 

Snowden is not performing well,and G.Hall is not the sort of player than can play one game in four,it takes him a long run in the side to start performing at his best....Peacey didn't have a good debut.

 

When we get our midfield players fit,i would move Brotherton back to partner Gant in central defence.

 

I thought Clake looked lively yesturday until he got clattered from behind after 30 minutes.....Cooper wasn't on form....We gave Fenn an easy ride letting him play spare at the back....we should have put Cove right up in his face to lay the ball off to Cooper and Clarke either side of him....We missed Smith also.

 

Why do we keep putting Miller and Ulatowski on with 15 minutes to go....with Ridout and Geraghty not fit,i feel Nash deserves to play more than those two....if not,i would have rather have left Cooper and Riley on.

 

The annoying thing over the last week,is that Concord and Ilford were there to be beaten....but they played against a out of form ETFC.

 

ps...I was impressed by Ilfords little forward....remined me of an inform Cooper.

 

PPS...Foxy,i think my weather forecast was the more accurate. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

 

 

[lovely stuff]

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Steph said:
>>Cleggy

It must be so far from the pitch which affected your eyes. I also saw in Non-League that it was an "end to end game". No it wasn't if the result had not mattered so much it was a dire middle of the pitch battle with, due to the conditions, the last 20 minutes a catalogue of mistakes by both sides.

I do not think the ref was bad and you have to really be one sided if you thought that the ref was the reason for the result. We got what we deserved, a point, as did Ilford. It was funny that both goals in open play were goal keeping errors. Yes it was chopper's fault, he called for the ball, the Ilford goal.

Similarly the Ilford goalkeeper should have got to the Brotherton goal.

Also the penalties. I did not think that Ilford's penalty was a penalty. Snowdon got to the ball cleanly and then the attacker crashed into him. If the ref thought it was a penalty why did he not at least book Snowdon as clearly Snowdon was the last defender.

I was also surprised at the Clarke penalty. The lino was in a perfect position and you are right he was flagging for a corner. The ref had a similar view to me, on the opposite side, although obviously he was nearer. I just did not see a foul.

So there we are. Anybody want an outside bet on Sawbo for the league. Concord's game postponed yesterday and in the vase next week. Hope Concord draw or win next week. The league this year is more exciting than it has been since the town have been in it. Brilliant.

Steph you really should try standing with the rest of us during the game.....the linesman in the second half,'never did and never was' going to join in with the game....so saying that he never flagged for the penalty is irrelevant.

I may be in the minority here,but i think the ONLY two things the ref did get right,were the two penalties.

[theabbeyabbott]

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Steph said:
>>Cleggy

It must be so far from the pitch which affected your eyes. I also saw in Non-League that it was an "end to end game". No it wasn't if the result had not mattered so much it was a dire middle of the pitch battle with, due to the conditions, the last 20 minutes a catalogue of mistakes by both sides.

I do not think the ref was bad and you have to really be one sided if you thought that the ref was the reason for the result. We got what we deserved, a point, as did Ilford. It was funny that both goals in open play were goal keeping errors. Yes it was chopper's fault, he called for the ball, the Ilford goal.

Similarly the Ilford goalkeeper should have got to the Brotherton goal.

Also the penalties. I did not think that Ilford's penalty was a penalty. Snowdon got to the ball cleanly and then the attacker crashed into him. If the ref thought it was a penalty why did he not at least book Snowdon as clearly Snowdon was the last defender.

I was also surprised at the Clarke penalty. The lino was in a perfect position and you are right he was flagging for a corner. The ref had a similar view to me, on the opposite side, although obviously he was nearer. I just did not see a foul.

So there we are. Anybody want an outside bet on Sawbo for the league. Concord's game postponed yesterday and in the vase next week. Hope Concord draw or win next week. The league this year is more exciting than it has been since the town have been in it. Brilliant.

Sawbo for the league, definately. they are a good side with games in hand I beleive. Too many of you others up top are wrapped up in yourselves. There are some interesting fixtures coming up with vital points at stake. Where did that other guy get mid table from? The way some people talk about their teams you would think we had Real Madrid in the ESL! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Steph]

>>Lovely Stuff

 

I disagree with you about Cooper. He has lost his pace since his injury and is not able to control the ball. There were countless times when he lost it in midfield, at one time it nearly gave Ilford a goal in the second half as they quickly broke from his error. Are you really judging Cooper on current playing ability or his form when he first came into the side.

 

Ullatowski can control the ball and has the ability to be there on occasions. Ullatowski can build up an understanding with Clarke and these two can rip defences apart especially with Smith behind them and Cove providing support.

 

Do you really think that Cooper can keep the ball and beat a player like Brotherton, Cove, Riley or Clarke. Of course he cant. He has pace and can beat a man on a run but he cannot fight a way through a packed defence and is too easily knocked off the ball. Ullatowski has more skill with the ball than Cooper and this should be the deciding aspect as to which of them should play.

 

Must agree with your comments about the lino. He did miss a number of offside decision but as we were the attacking team I was not going to complain.

 

Brotherton is our best defender however at present that may not be saying much. The problem as I see it is that Brotherton likes to play himself out of trouble in defence and this can lead us exposed if he looses the ball for this reason I prefer Brotherton in midfield.

 

I thought that Cove looked out of sorts yesterday.

 

 

[Steph]

>>Abbeynut

 

Of the teams that I have seen this season Sawbo stood out as the team to beat.

 

I have seen them all except Southend Manor.

[lovely stuff]

Yes i agree Cooper dosn't seem to be the same player he was before his injury...but don't forget the Bedfont game ,where he took them on almost single handedly in the second half.

 

I feel the boggy pitches lately,may have more to do with his lack of form,than his injury.

 

Apart from Ulatowski's two hat-trick games last season...I havn't seen the slightest hint that he can influence a game.

 

I would certainly have Clarke,Cove,Smith,(and yes)Cooper above him in the pecking order.

[Jim Cunneen]

I accept I have not been there but am i thee only one who feels that we are not doing ourselves any favours with this constant carping about referees....

 

BTW Cleggy - "Clarke was sythed down for a penalty."

 

I have spoked to a couple of ETFC supporters who tend to watch the game with both eyes open who both described the penalty as laughable.

Apparently the tackle was perfectly timed.

 

Can we take this into account before perpetually slagging off referees.

 

Before youy ask one of my reporters was standing virtually next to you.

 

we all ahve our viewpoints but lets keep it objective.

[essexboy04]

Cleggy, was there two different Enfield Town v Ilford games yesterday?

 

The one you watched seems to be far different to the one me and Steph watched. I think that Ilford just shaded what was always going to be a tight scrappy game, with the pitch in the condition it was. The more attacking football came from the Ilford team. Although neither team created anything clear cut. Thought the ref was fair and was correct with both penalty decisions.

 

Just a word of advice, the language and abuse thrown at the match officials and Ilford players at half time was disgaceful. It may be a minority of your fans, but surely this kind of behaviour lets down the club and definately does not help refereeing decisions go your way. What the referee did wrong in the first half i do not know, but he definately was not biased towards either side.

[Steph]

>>Lovely Stuff

 

Well Jim obviously agrees with you as on a count back from this season. Cooper has played 14 times and only been substituted 4 times. (70, 86, 79 and 87 minutes) Whereas Ullatowski has only played 12 times 5 times as substitute when he has come on in the 45 (twice), 79, 60 and 70th minutes. Of the seven times he has started the game he has been substituted three times. (45, 45 and 72 mins).

 

I would suggest that it is harder for someone to get into a game when they come on as substitute than it is for a player who starts a match.

 

Even you agree that he had two brilliant hat trick games last season (one of which he came on as sub and was himself substituted).

 

Perhaps Jim feels that Ullatowski lacks stamina and I agree that he doesn't put himself about as much as Cooper however football is about skill and Ullatowski has more than Cooper it is as simple as that. Just as Cove and Clarke has more skill than the both of them. Cooper plays for Cooper whereas Ullatowski plays for Enfield Town.

 

As far as Bedfont is concerned the match report on the ETFC web page sums it up,

 

"There was plenty of effort and endeavour from Town tonight, but with little to show for their efforts. Youngster Lee Digby showed plenty of promise after coming on as substitute in the second half, while Ian Cooper seemed to be waging a one-man war against the home defence. Overall though, Town lacked cohesion and the final score was a fair reflection on the game."

 

[lovely stuff]

Yes the tackle for the ball was perfectly timed,it was that the defender had to go through the back of Clarke (taking his legs away) to get to the ball. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

 

Talking of veiwpoints Jim,yours does tend to be further away than most...80 miles,or so. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

 

Don't forget,your 'reporters' opinions are 'no more-or less' valid than anyone else's.

 

But i do agree that to the outsider, Town's constant moaning about refs,can seem like 'sour-grapes'......it's just the refs are consistently BLOODY AWFULL...and we can't help ourselves. <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

[lovely stuff]

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essexboy04 said:
Cleggy, was there two different Enfield Town v Ilford games yesterday?

The one you watched seems to be far different to the one me and Steph watched. I think that Ilford just shaded what was always going to be a tight scrappy game, with the pitch in the condition it was. The more attacking football came from the Ilford team. Although neither team created anything clear cut. Thought the ref was fair and was correct with both penalty decisions.

Just a word of advice, the language and abuse thrown at the match officials and Ilford players at half time was disgaceful. It may be a minority of your fans, but surely this kind of behaviour lets down the club and definately does not help refereeing decisions go your way. What the referee did wrong in the first half i do not know, but he definately was not biased towards either side.

Their were too many instances of (perceived) bias to comment on individualy......Just answer one for me.

Why did he book an ETFC player for kicking the ball away,but not the Ilford player that did the same....all we want is consistency.

[lovely stuff]

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Steph said:
>>Lovely Stuff

Well Jim obviously agrees with you as on a count back from this season. Cooper has played 14 times and only been substituted 4 times. (70, 86, 79 and 87 minutes) Whereas Ullatowski has only played 12 times 5 times as substitute when he has come on in the 45 (twice), 79, 60 and 70th minutes. Of the seven times he has started the game he has been substituted three times. (45, 45 and 72 mins).

I would suggest that it is harder for someone to get into a game when they come on as substitute than it is for a player who starts a match.

Even you agree that he had two brilliant hat trick games last season (one of which he came on as sub and was himself substituted).

Perhaps Jim feels that Ullatowski lacks stamina and I agree that he doesn't put himself about as much as Cooper however football is about skill and Ullatowski has more than Cooper it is as simple as that. Just as Cove and Clarke has more skill than the both of them. Cooper plays for Cooper whereas Ullatowski plays for Enfield Town.

As far as Bedfont is concerned the match report on the ETFC web page sums it up,

"There was plenty of effort and endeavour from Town tonight, but with little to show for their efforts. Youngster Lee Digby showed plenty of promise after coming on as substitute in the second half, while Ian Cooper seemed to be waging a one-man war against the home defence. Overall though, Town lacked cohesion and the final score was a fair reflection on the game."

steph...How can you say that Ulatowski has more skill than Cooper,does anyone else agree with that???

Don't you remember his great runs and goals against the likes of Edgware and Eton Manor.

I think you have more of a problem with his attitude and personality(probably steming from comments heard at Bedfont) than with his playing ability.

Yes he's not in form at the momment,but he's shown with his early season play,that he has much more to offer the Ulatowski.

Would any other Town fans like to join this debate,apart from me and Steph.

[bigboybubs]

I can't say a word as i was at Doncaster Rovers v Leyton Orient. I saw the Oreint team coach turn up, but i don't know about the players.