Enfield Town 3 Concord 3

[Foxy2004]

Sounds like it was a very entertaining game.....

But thanks for drawing......we needed that..!

 

[Foxy2004]

Sounds like it was a very interesting game....!

Why didn't Danny Clarke play...?

 

[Arkwright]

Interesting conspiracy theory folks.

Don't forget that the guy we had on Saturday didn't even talk

to the Town player who went in two footed on one of their team.

Obviously the Ref's we had last time we went to Sawbo & Burnham aren't in on this as they gave rather interesting decisions that led directly to our wins.

Ref's might not be great at this level, but you can't blame them every time we don't win.

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[Jim Cunneen]

Nice try Andy

 

Time is 85 - 90. In other words real time. In any case even if you take 'injury time' in to account it still shows a worrying lack of concentration.

 

Perhaps referees are adding on too much time - only joking.....

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Arkwright said:
Interesting conspiracy theory folks.
Don't forget that the guy we had on Saturday didn't even talk
to the Town player who went in two footed on one of their team.
Obviously the Ref's we had last time we went to Sawbo & Burnham aren't in on this as they gave rather interesting decisions that led directly to our wins.
Ref's might not be great at this level, but you can't blame them every time we don't win.
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Don't forget the ref we had at Sawbo was the infamous 'brownlow',and he didn't do us any favours,it was the lino that flagged for the dodgy penalty (flag across the chest),the ref had no choice but to give it.

And that game is the only one i can remember in the ESL when i felt ETFC had the 'rub of the green'.

[Beer Sponsor]

RE: LS's point 2 above-I think this needs to be expnded to include players and the bench doing the shouting and questioning. While the disciplinary record has perhaps improved [Jim? is that right], I think is much room for improvement. It must impact upon the way referres treat individuals and the game as a whole.

 

[Southport - TOWNER]

Billy - when/were do U18 play?

[Steph]

I didn't think the referee did badly on Saturday. And I dont think that refs cheat, they are often wrong and the ref was wrong on Saturday.

 

He should have sent off the number 10 however he hit Brad on the back of the head because Brad had retaliated for the foul and push that number 10 did on Chopper. Chopper did not retaliate.

 

Brad should have got a yellow card and he cannot complain. I have to say that I want to see Enfield win against 11 players and I dont like it when any player gets sent off.

 

The handball was handball and if it had happened in the Concorde area I would have been spitting feathers. It may have been accidental and the refs do have a degree of discretion in this matter but it did stop a hard goal bound shot and the referee exercised discretion in not booking Brad, the miscreant, as he would certainly have got sent off for a second bookable.

 

Let us have less of this digging at the referee. I will shout at them with the rest however at the end of the day they do a job to the best of their ability and we can play football without a player and even it appears without a proper kit but we always need a referee.

 

A good side will overcome problems with officials. Saturday's game was a no holds barred top of the table clash and everyone, including the officials, will be "up for it". As it is the ref never lost control and whilst he did make mistakes Enfield town cannot blame the result on him.

 

We should not have defended so deep when we were 3-2 up. It is a mistake that Jim makes so often. We give away the midfield, and Concorde were better than us in that department.

 

I dont know whether Cove should have been substituted it appeared not to work however we came back into the game for the final minute or so after Concorde scored.

 

People have been suggesting that Cooper should be in the starting line up almost as of right. I dont know! He started like a bolt from the blue against Edgware and Hullbridge but what has he done since. Has his arm fully recovered? He was persistently offside against Torrington is this where he is trying to make up for his subsequent lack of pace following his injury?

 

We will miss Dave Allen if he has left the club.

Graham Hall has been shown up this season for his lack of pace and I do have anxiety if he is our last line of defence. I believe that we miss Jason Gerraghty or Ridout. They always give 100% and provide another ball winner in midfield. At moment in midfield we have Bradley who will break down an attack through the middle and ......... who else. It seems that too often the defence have forwards running at them who have not been slowed or stopped in midfield and that is not the defence fault.

 

However the defence were asleep for at least two of the goals on Saturday.

 

On Saturday, for the first time this season in my view, we had control of the air in the Concorde half. Ullatowski was winning the ball in front of the back four of Concorde but Cove is not a player to make something of the layoffs. Cove is the one to lay the ball off remember. It seems that Hyatt knows where goal is but on Saturday we needed Clarke but is he suspended? He got sent off in his last game for Ilford and also went off injured earlier at Enfield.

 

We are not as good as last year principally because our midfield and defence are not as good. However we will be good enough to win this league and at present I think I would prefer to be in Enfield's position than Concorde or Ilford.

 

Ilford have to play both us and Concorde.

Concorde have to play Romford twice. But we do have two games left against Southend Manor and one game against Sawbo. The league is tight which is as it should be and still keeps the interest going. It is certainly different from the first season when it was us or Leyton throughout most of the season.

[Southport - TOWNER]

Steph - good summary, I agree with most of that.

 

I do wonder why we try and defend in our own half!

let me explain,

if we have the ball; they don't.

if we are attacking, we are not defending.

if we are in their half they are not in ours.

 

 

Midfield we need players who are comfortable on the ball; and can make a pass, and make tackles, not just foul.

 

Forwards - how many shots do we have on or off target? Saturday in the second have we had 3 attempts on goal - not enough

 

It is early days for this club; but we are an impatient lot.

[JordanB]

steph you also have to play us, i think we owe you one and will certainly be out to spoil the day/night when we visit you twice from now until the end of the season.

 

southend manor are not a great threat. two good forwards but shocking at the back.

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Steph said:
I didn't think the referee did badly on Saturday. And I dont think that refs cheat, they are often wrong and the ref was wrong on Saturday.

He should have sent off the number 10 however he hit Brad on the back of the head because Brad had retaliated for the foul and push that number 10 did on Chopper. Chopper did not retaliate.

Brad should have got a yellow card and he cannot complain. I have to say that I want to see Enfield win against 11 players and I dont like it when any player gets sent off.

The handball was handball and if it had happened in the Concorde area I would have been spitting feathers. It may have been accidental and the refs do have a degree of discretion in this matter but it did stop a hard goal bound shot and the referee exercised discretion in not booking Brad, the miscreant, as he would certainly have got sent off for a second bookable.

Let us have less of this digging at the referee. I will shout at them with the rest however at the end of the day they do a job to the best of their ability and we can play football without a player and even it appears without a proper kit but we always need a referee.

A good side will overcome problems with officials. Saturday's game was a no holds barred top of the table clash and everyone, including the officials, will be "up for it". As it is the ref never lost control and whilst he did make mistakes Enfield town cannot blame the result on him.

We should not have defended so deep when we were 3-2 up. It is a mistake that Jim makes so often. We give away the midfield, and Concorde were better than us in that department.

I dont know whether Cove should have been substituted it appeared not to work however we came back into the game for the final minute or so after Concorde scored.

People have been suggesting that Cooper should be in the starting line up almost as of right. I dont know! He started like a bolt from the blue against Edgware and Hullbridge but what has he done since. Has his arm fully recovered? He was persistently offside against Torrington is this where he is trying to make up for his subsequent lack of pace following his injury?

We will miss Dave Allen if he has left the club.
Graham Hall has been shown up this season for his lack of pace and I do have anxiety if he is our last line of defence. I believe that we miss Jason Gerraghty or Ridout. They always give 100% and provide another ball winner in midfield. At moment in midfield we have Bradley who will break down an attack through the middle and ......... who else. It seems that too often the defence have forwards running at them who have not been slowed or stopped in midfield and that is not the defence fault.

However the defence were asleep for at least two of the goals on Saturday.

On Saturday, for the first time this season in my view, we had control of the air in the Concorde half. Ullatowski was winning the ball in front of the back four of Concorde but Cove is not a player to make something of the layoffs. Cove is the one to lay the ball off remember. It seems that Hyatt knows where goal is but on Saturday we needed Clarke but is he suspended? He got sent off in his last game for Ilford and also went off injured earlier at Enfield.

We are not as good as last year principally because our midfield and defence are not as good. However we will be good enough to win this league and at present I think I would prefer to be in Enfield's position than Concorde or Ilford.

Ilford have to play both us and Concorde.
Concorde have to play Romford twice. But we do have two games left against Southend Manor and one game against Sawbo. The league is tight which is as it should be and still keeps the interest going. It is certainly different from the first season when it was us or Leyton throughout most of the season.

Steph,i always enjoy your 'take' on matches....I must try standing round your side of the pitch occasionally and see if the game looks different from there.


1.If brotherton's handball was a penalty,then so was the handball by a Concord player in the first minute of the second half...consistancy,thats all we want.

2.You say that the ref didn't lose control...well he gave up blowing for fouls in the last 15 minutes of the game(from both sides)many of which were serious fouls....which not only resulted in Concords third goal but initiated quite a bit if pushing and shoving and retaliative lunges for the ball amounst the players....By definition,if players see bad fouls,punches,etc..go unpunished,they know they can try their luck.

3.regarding midfield...i thought Brotherton,Negus,Riley,Quinn had the better of Concords midfield until the last 10-15 minutes of the game.(when the ref went AWOL).

4.but i agree we are missing Ridout,Geraghty.

[The Invisible Man]

Referees do not have a degree of discretion in the mater of handball.

 

Handling the ball is only an offence if it is deliberate. Accidental handling, such as if the ball hits the arm or hand, or if a player instinctively flings his/her arms up to defend the face from the ball, is NOT an offence.

 

Thus, the referee has to excercise judgement in deciding if the handling is deliberate or accidental, but not discretion.

 

Further, if a deliberate handball prevents the ball crossing the goal line between the posts and below the crossbar, (a goal, in short) the offending player MUST be sent off and a penalty awarded. If the ball crosses the line as above, despite a deliberate handball, then the player is cautioned and a goal is awarded. The referee again has no discretion in these matters.

 

I was not at the game and can only therefore presume that if Brad was adjudged to have deliberately handled the ball but was only cautioned, the referee must have believed that the ball was not going to enter the net.

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Arkwright said:
Interesting conspiracy theory folks.
Don't forget that the guy we had on Saturday didn't even talk
to the Town player who went in two footed on one of their team.
Obviously the Ref's we had last time we went to Sawbo & Burnham aren't in on this as they gave rather interesting decisions that led directly to our wins.
Ref's might not be great at this level, but you can't blame them every time we don't win.
<img src="/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" />

Don't forget the ref we had at Sawbo was the infamous 'brownlow',and he didn't do us any favours,it was the lino that flagged for the dodgy penalty (flag across the chest),the ref had no choice but to give it.

And that game is the only one i can remember in the ESL when i felt ETFC had the 'rub of the green'.

You will find that the referee at Sawbo was the very competent Keith Egglinton; and he has always been excellent and not just because we won. And that is the point; he has Ryman pedigree not ESL so there lies a reason. I admit that we were lucky to win at Sawbo but he has always been reasonable.

[Steph]

The referee does not know if the handball is deliberate or not in many cases. You say exercise judgement I say use discretion. (who gets the benefit of any doubt)

 

It was difficult to tell from where I was standing but I would have been shouting and demanding a penalty at the other end.

 

I said the shot was goalbound I dont think that the handball "prevented" the ball from crossing the line as there were defenders behind Brad and he also had to beat Chopper.

 

With regard to Lovely Stuff's comment about the handball in the area in the second half. I dont disagree. Indeed I got sworn at by the Concorde bench when I shouted for it! But the ref signalled in his opinion it hit the chest. Therefore the referee did not, in his mind, make a mistake. If we are talking about the same incident it seemed to me that the defender knocked the ball out with the "point" of his shoulder. Referees frequently signal a chest contact in these circumstances.

 

There were fouls throughout the game and the ref blew up less and less as time went on. I did not notice any major difference in the last 15 minutes. As far as midfield is concerned yes Negus plays well on the wings and I would have thought that Quinn was much more a defensive player rather than Midfield. Yesterday Steve Baldwin was playing further forward than Quinn (to the extent that my parents had to ask who he was as he was coming so far forward -they were really shocked when I pointed out to them that he had played over 40 times for ETFC!).

 

I think that Riley is worth his place in the side for his enthusiasm and his ability to support the front runners but I do not think that his ball winning ability is as good as, say Geraghty or Ridout. Even Martin St Hilaire was more tenacious than Kevin. Similarly when the team make a fast break then it is only Kevin Riley supporting the front runners.

 

There was a time on Saturday in the first half when we had a break on the run. The ball was with Smith/Cove. It was centred into the box and broke free to the edge of the penalty area but there was nobody coming from midfield to win the ball there. We loose control on the edge of our opponents penalty area and appear to quickly get into trouble.

 

The point I am making is that if Bradley does not break down an attack in the centre of the pitch who does when Geraghty or Ridout are not there?

 

 

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Ask fruitbat on his opinion of Mr Egglinton....then retire to a safe distance. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

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So handball is only an offence,if the refs feels it is deliberate....not if it accidently hits the hand,its irrelevent if the shot was goalbound or not.

[The Invisible Man]

Correct. Handball is by definition deliberate. The ref decides if it was deliberate or not.

 

What I was saying about the shot being goal-bound or not is whether the offending player is sent off or cautioned for deliberate handball. If it was accidental then it's not handball.

 

If the handball stops a goal, off he (or she) toddles. If it still goes in, he/she gets a caution.

 

Isn't this fun?

[MbrunoB]

bubbles spoke to danny clarke before the game and he had an injury which was not too serious.

[andyetfc]

Interpretation of the laws of the game certainlys get people talking/typing.

 

Just look at the problem they had at Watford with the ball not over the line incident? At least we did not have that on Saturday.

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We had watford kit though....well Concord did.