Frome town manager

[staines_rebel_Jr]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37929939

 

Frome manager Nick Bunyard has been banned from all football until 2019 for betting against his own team.

[David Carpenter]

Given the severity of his misdemeanour perhaps he should have been banned sine die or as per an old film title "Frome here to Eternity".

[Irishadrian]

He has also been fined £3000 banned till July 2019 and banned from the Frome home ground and any away ground where Frome are playing.

[David Carpenter]

I still think the punishment is insufficient for the gross betrayal which has occurred. He has tried to justify his actions on the basis that others are up to it. As my lovely old grandmother used to say - "two wrongs don't make no right."

[Irishadrian]

Nick Bunyard had gone onto social media to announce his permanent retirement from all involvement in football at any level.I agree with David that the FA ban was too little Maybe 5 years A sine die ban would have been pointless since that means " without a day" so could have meant for ever or till next week. There is an oddly ambivalent statement on the Frome site quite supportive of Nick and Critical of the FA.

[David Carpenter]

In the modern context I think sine die is taken to mean for life and hence my follow up quip "Frome here to eternity". Anyway Nick Bunyard has resolved all matters by his social media statement. 

[Rebel Kay]

Sine die appears to mean until resolved. As a player for whom a fine isn't paid is suspended sine die until it is paid.

I think it's an open ended punishment rather than a life ban

[David Carpenter]

Whatever sine die means I reiterate that I meant (and should have stated to avoid the semantics) a life ban. And I reiterate my quip "Frome here to eternity". If the FA are serious about stamping out such appalling behaviour then they need to start sorting out appropriate punishments. Some might argue that this could lead to a shortfall of officials but this behaviour needs to be curtailed to avoid continuing poisoning of the game. At least Mr Bunyard has taken the honourable decision in his media statement.

[Martin]

Kay, Dave and Adrian are all right. Sine die literally translated from the Latin is without day. Used commonly in legal terms for an adjournment sine day. Meaning no day is assigned to the matter it remains open indefinitely.

[Sloughboy]

Absolutely shambolic behaviour and I would not be able to look one of our managers in the eye if they did that ever again! - not that I would ever imagine ours would obviously! I feel for the frome supporters who were subjected to that!

[David Carpenter]

Thanks for the clarification Martin. In the practical football sense given the context sine die can mean for instance conditional on an action e.g. a playing ban until the payment of an outstanding fine or in another context as I intended in my original post - for life. The latter is pointed out by the case of Willie Wooburn of Glasgow Rangers in 1954. He was the subject of an inquiry by the Scottish Football Association for his continual violent behaviour culminating in head butting a Stirling Albion player. The inquiry took just a few minutes and the conclusion was that Mr. Wooburn was banned sine die meaning in this context - for life. Ironically the ban was rescinded 3 years later by which time Wooburn who was 37 decided to formally retire. None of this of course changes the current situation.

[Irishadrian]

He was the last UK footballer (so far) to receive a sine die suspension His sirname was Woodburn and he was the Rangers captain at the time.

[David Carpenter]

So having queried the meaning previously you now accept that under certain contextual circumstances sine die can mean for life.

[Irishadrian]

David Maybe you should read my post again I never disputed that sine die can mean for life just that thats not all it can mean My post says that.

[Irishadrian]

I hope this thread wont run on sine die lol

[David Carpenter]

I agree and I am sure we are all agreed about Mr Bunyards behaviour which has perhaps been ameliorated to a certain extent by his decision to forgo any future football activity. As per my  original thread  this should in my opinion have been the punishment handed out by the FA in the first place.

[Banny]

He was the last UK footballer (so far) to receive a sine die suspension His sirname was Woodburn and he was the Rangers captain at the time.

Oh no he wasn't.

The bed & Breakfast F A banned me sine die in the early seventies for non payment of a fine(s) for a sending off in a game I did not play in, for a side I did not play for. It was resolved a couple of years later. Never did find out who stitched me up; though my educated guess is it was &%G3(gde%  ( allegedly).

There were other cases like this at the time.

[Irishadrian]

Banny Thanks for that I should have added for violent conduct Your situation is very common and as Rebel Kay posted earlier still current A Player who doesnt pay a fine is suspended until the day he does You were very unlucky if you were not involved in the game

[Big J R]

Sine Die is used often in Red Brick Universities for Dons, who are ageing and technically retired meaning they are available if required.

 

Personally, I think the FA had a typo error.

 

They meant to type, "SIN, DIE !!"   

 

I'll fetch me coat.

 

(Quick taxi required for JR !!)

[rebelade]

Football authorities have missed a huge opportunity, the Frome manager gets 3 year ban, yet Joey Barton can place 44 bets in 2 1/2 months and all he gets is a one match ban. Lesser punishment than any of his many red cards.