Update to the laws of the games

[staines_rebel_Jr]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36256441

 

 

not too many of the change will actually effect most games.

[HorshamRebel]

Law 4 (undershorts) could cause some trouble at our level and below where players buy their own.

 

 

A lot of the changes are just clarifications on what is already there

[staines_rebel_Jr]

Law 4 (undershorts) could cause some trouble at our level and below where players buy their own.

 

 

A lot of the changes are just clarifications on what is already there

 

 

They have made the offside rule a bit more complicated though by saying a player inside the goal is active and can be given as offside despite the fact they wouldn't be able to affect play.

[HorshamRebel]

Where have you seen that, it's not in any of the multiple law update documents I've seen.

[staines_rebel_Jr]

http://www.theifab.com/files/4%20-%20Presentation%20Law%20Changes_v0.3.pdf

 

page 40 / 65

 

IFAB revision of the laws of the game

Summary of the aw changes for 2016/17

 

 

 

"If a goal is scored, an attacking player in the goal can be penalised for an offside offence"

[David Carpenter]

interesting one about violent contact -clarified that actual physical contact is not required for a referee to adjudge that violent contact has occurred. This is something I have shall we say discussed with others in the past. This has been my contention - intent can constitute the violent conduct without contact contact occurring. For instance a player takes a swing at another players chin and makes contact - clearly violent conduct.Another player takes a swing at at a further player who ducks out of the way - no contact but still violent conduct.

[David Carpenter]

Sorry meant " clarified that actual physical contact is not required for a referee to adjudge that violent conduct has occurred".

[Big J R]

Very soon, referees will have to carry the law book with them, ask for a 'Time-Out' and then consult the said book.

 

Mind you the law book might be a bit on the heavy side, so another official will be required !

 

Referee's assessors will be having nervous breakdowns.

[HorshamRebel]

Too often we hear "That wouldn't have been given in the Premier League"

 

There are too many grey (at the ref's discretion) rules, and not enough black and white for there to be a unity across the whole of the game.

 

I think with some of these rule enhancements, they are writing down some of the black and white issues that have so far been unwritten, which may help.

 

For example : You can only be offside if any legal part of your body is in an offside position (simplified). They have now added (not hand or arm) just to clarify it.

 

Still too many grey areas though.

 

It would be interesting to hear from a ref on this

[staines_rebel_Jr]

It is virtually impossible for any Lino to get every offside ruling right as the margins can be incredibly fine and there are too many things for the officials to consider in that split second to decide whether certain players are offside.

 

Video replays must be introduced at the top level to check for important plays, i.e. Goals or penalties. I think they are starting trials in Itsly though.

[Longshot]

I had to laugh when i saw the one that said that a goalkeeper coming off his or her line during the taking of a penalty kick will receive a yellow card. From what i have seen that will be almost every keeper in every match who face a penalty. Just can't see that one happening.

[Reading Rebel]

interesting one about violent contact -clarified that actual physical contact is not required for a referee to adjudge that violent contact has occurred. This is something I have shall we say discussed with others in the past. This has been my contention - intent can constitute the violent conduct without contact contact occurring. For instance a player takes a swing at another players chin and makes contact - clearly violent conduct.Another player takes a swing at at a further player who ducks out of the way - no contact but still violent conduct.

 

 

That's how I've always understood it. You don't have to make contact for it to be judged as violent conduct, it's the intent of the challenge etc.

[David Carpenter]

In the past though I have shall we say discussed this with others (not you) who have insisted that violent conduct only occurs if contact occurs. Load of tosh of course which the FA have now clarified.

[staines_rebel_Jr]

In the past though I have shall we say discussed this with others (not you) who have insisted that violent conduct only occurs if contact occurs. Load of tosh of course which the FA have now clarified.

This is why this update has happened. To change the wording to make it clear what is meant to try to ensure consistency throughout football.

 

On this particular case the key word was and still is "conduct" and as yourself and others have said correctly, it is not about whether the offending player hits their mark but more about their intent.

[Curtis]

I'm old school when it comes to rules around interfering with play, intent and accidental handball.

 

1. if you're not interfering with play then you shouldn't be on the pitch.... and there is no way you can be in an offside position and not be interfering with play (at the very least the player must be distracting the goalkeeper or a defender or looking to achieve an advantage of some description)

 

2. referees have enough problems attempting to deal with all the real fouls that do occur, especially shirt holding and obstruction on free kicks and corners.... once you start introducing whether a player intended fouling someone then you are just one step away from giving a foul because a player was 'thinking about' tackling someone and the 'Minority Report' scenario.

 

3. Handball is handball if an unfair advantage is gained from it.... if a shot is going in the goal and is handled, it is a free kick or penalty regardless of whether it was accidental or not.

 

I really don't know why the rules continually become grey and more difficult for referees.

[Curtis]

Any rule changes really should be for things that other sports have introduced that clearly work..... stop the clock for injuries, substitutions and time-wasting so there is no dispute about added time (have a clock in the stadium linked to the referees watch).

 

Make yellow cards a 10 minute sin bin offence.... the club that has had the offence committed against it should receive the benefit, not some club later in the season when the player receives a suspension.

 

And at Premier League have video referees to ensure no offence has occurred when a goal is scored and to rule on penalties.

[HorshamRebel]

I was talking to some refs a few weeks back about the changes and they said that video replay evidence during the game is very imminent, with trials starting soon

[David Carpenter]

Referring to Curtis' point 2 yesterday I don't think the FA are requiring referees to have a degree in physicology but just to be able to apply a bit of common sense when there is clear intent of violent conduct. As an example the season before last one of our players went in on a goalkeeper with a blatant 2 footed tackle and got sent off.The cry from the terraces was that "no contact had been made". As far as is possible the line has to be drawn somewhere and this line needs to be on ideally the safe side of physical contact leading to a broken leg, arm, chin etc. The game is a physical sport but I think we all know in essence where the line needs to be drawn including of course the actual referee. 

[epicrebel]

What I can see is,

 

When a player goes to block a defender from clearing the ball by sliding in front, the defenders follow through kicks the player and goes down because he has kicked the other players boot. Going by this rule the player sliding in (even though he's the one being kicked) will get sent off.

[staines_rebel_Jr]

What I can see is,

 

When a player goes to block a defender from clearing the ball by sliding in front, the defenders follow through kicks the player and goes down because he has kicked the other players boot. Going by this rule the player sliding in (even though he's the one being kicked) will get sent off.

If the slide tackle is made in front of the players and not aimed at the players legs then they would not be sent off. As the intent was to block the ball not to hurt the player. Edited May 25, 2016 by staines_rebel_Jr