Tring Corinthians Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Folks Can anyone provide a rational reason for the insistence on SSML Clubs having to provide a linesman for each Reserve game rather than simply allow one of the subs to do it? A club linesman can be just as biased as a sub so that cant be the reason. It is hard enough for clubs at SSML level to provide a full Reserve team willing to travel 30 odd miles to play on a cold Saturday afternoon in bad weather - let alone some poor sod to come along just to run the line. We know of people who have stopped coming to watch incase they get asked to run the line... To fine a club for getting a sub to do it seems to be to be barmy at this level. Any thoughts anyone? This rule is a serious pain in the arse for clubs and any League who is seriously concerned about helping clubs to survive should remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 We went out and found a young lad to do it for us. Slip him £15 a game and bobs your uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley Bay Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Folks Folks Can anyone provide a rational reason for the insistence on SSML Clubs having to provide a linesman for each Reserve game rather than simply allow one of the subs to do it? A club linesman can be just as biased as a sub so that cant be the reason. It is hard enough for clubs at SSML level to provide a full Reserve team willing to travel 30 odd miles to play on a cold Saturday afternoon in bad weather - let alone some poor sod to come along just to run the line. We know of people who have stopped coming to watch incase they get asked to run the line... To fine a club for getting a sub to do it seems to be to be barmy at this level. Any thoughts anyone? This rule is a serious pain in the arse for clubs and any League who is seriously concerned about helping clubs to survive should remove it. If you don't want to accept Jonno's suggestion, go to the AGM (as the League is the collective of its constituent clubs) with a proposal to remove the requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tring Corinthians Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 We have tried that to be honest Jonno. £15 just doesn't seem tempting enough to persuade a young lad to run the line and get stick in a monsoon at Mursley in January.... Its a silly rule - Subs should be able to do it and the cash strapped clubs not get fined as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I understand where you're coming from Tring, but as a manager of the reserve side at Hoddesdon, I don't want my subs running the line. Hardly ideal preparation to take part in the game. Also looks a bit Sunday league for my liking. But I understand it's not easy to find good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munchkin Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 We have a someone who does it and we pay him £10. Agree with Jonno, the subs are there to play and to be honest if I'm a player and have to run the line I'm hardly going to be happy about it or probably even do it correctly. That being said its hard to find someone. When I was running our reserves, I had to do it occasionally, which meant there was no one in the dugout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen Browne Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Contact your County FA - there are hundreds of young level 7's and even level 8's referees who would welcome the experience given the right payment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley Bay Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Contact your County FA - there are hundreds of young level 7's and even level 8's referees who would welcome the experience given the right payment Unfortunately, according to the FA website, Level 8 referees (youth referees who are under 16) CANNOT officiate in 'Open Age' football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen Browne Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Really - yet a club can use a club linesman who is Under 16 - the world's gone mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley Bay Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Really - yet a club can use a club linesman who is Under 16 - the world's gone mad I don't believe they can because even as a Club AR they would be seen as 'officiating', which would still break the FA regulations!! PTG - are you able to confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petethegreek Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I don't believe they can because even as a Club AR they would be seen as 'officiating', which would still break the FA regulations!! PTG - are you able to confirm? My understanding is that you cannot use anyone under 16 same as you cannot use a player under 16 in Adult Football. If you cannot use a qualified U-16 A/R then I don't see how you can use an unqualified U-16 A/R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tring Corinthians Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 I still don't think anyone has answered as to why clubs get fined for using a Sub to do the line? ~What difference does it make to the officials and why place more restrictions and make it harder for clubs that are already struggling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munchkin Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 They get fined because that is in the league rules. If you want to change that you could propose a rule change. Personally I think it does make a difference because a player should be there to play not run the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tringarmy Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 At least with an official you get some consistency with subs you could easily have 5 or 6 different linesman during the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IT'SASECRET Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1. Tringarmy is Correct. A referee doesn't want 3-5 different Linesman. Huge inconsistency. 2. No Sub wants to willingly run the line. Will be extremely unmotivated to do so. Occasionally a Sub will 'make mistakes' on purposes so someone else takes over. 3. Substitutes should not be classed as officials during the game. As a Club Linesman they can still be Cautioned/Sent off. 4. Why should the Reserve League be treated different to a Local Saturday Football League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tring Corinthians Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 I agree with all that and know its not ideal. Where I don't agree is fining a club in the current climate because they cant find any poor sods willing to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeutralFan Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 On the rare occasions I was on the bench I actually preferred to run the line rather than listen to the rubbish being said by the manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munchkin Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I agree with all that and know its not ideal. Where I don't agree is fining a club in the current climate because they cant find any poor sods willing to do it! But if you don't fine and then clubs wouldn't actively get a non player to do it. You could potentially have a one off allowance. Also not sure if these are standard FA rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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