Salford

[Stuntman Mark]

Interesting row brewing on Twitter. From Karen Baird their chairman -

 

like us or not the class of 92 has given more publicity to non league football than anyone ever

 

Are they good for the non league football or do they represent the worst values of the professional game?

[Neil Baker]

Personally I agree.... I think it has broadened peoples thoughts on non league football, as you have plentythinking well if they can get involved and love it, it cant be all bad.....

 

Thought the documentary was good, and showed that they actually do care about it, and that it is not a publicity stunt ( they are all working class lads at the end of the day, and probably just want to do their own football manager type scenario).

 

Granted they have made plenty of money from football and have good contacts to help out, but that is hardly a crime IMO>

 

Personally cant see what the problem is with the TV games chosen, it is as simple as this if Salford had been drawn away to Hartlepool it would not have been picked, same way if Chesham had been drawn at home to a league team it would have been chosen.

 

The whole idea of the TV games is to try and pick out a potential shock, or something with a bit of history (i.e Wimbledon v Liverpool last year in round 3).

 

Salford have got very lucky with their draws, as both games represent great chance for a shock, and in round 2 this year there are not too many of those.

[Curtis]

One of the main things I love about the FA Cup is the funds that it can potentially generate for non league clubs through not only prize money but also the fantastic bonus of live TV funds (£67,500 for live coverage of first match and £33,750 for a replay).

 

I would assume that with the class of 92 association that Salford probably don't need the funds but have been the live match in both the 1st and 2nd round (why not Chesham in the 2nd round after they pulled off the giant-killing of the 1st round winning at Bristol Rovers?).

 

I get the feeling Salford will probably progress rapidly to the Football League, and the publicity along the way will be great for Salford but of no long term benefit to non league football.

 

*note: pleased to see Maidenheads replay at home to Port Vale will be live on TV and they will receive £33,750.... I think it would be great if they win and get the £18,000 prize money as well.

[staines_rebel_Jr]

I watched both parts of the documentary and to me it was obvious that when the class of 92 took over they didn't have any clue about non league football or what it was really about. However by the end of the second part it was clear that after they took a hands on approach and meet the fans they started to understand that it is more than just what happens on the pitch every sat/tues.

 

 

I think the documentary did really well to portray that non league clubs only survive due to the family of supporters who help to run it and that the fans are truly passionate about their club and community.

 

 

On who gets on TV in the FA cup, it always has been and always will be the lowest placed teams left in who are at home will be on TV. This year Salford have been very lucky being drawn at home twice whilst others have been drawn away. The timing of the release of the class of 92 documentary has been perfect for them but I think if the documentary hadn't been shown yet then most people wouldn't be talking about it any were near as much

[epicrebel]

I watched both parts of the documentary and to me it was obvious that when the class of 92 took over they didn't have any clue about non league football or what it was really about. However by the end of the second part it was clear that after they took a hands on approach and meet the fans they started to understand that it is more than just what happens on the pitch every sat/tues.

 

 

I think the documentary did really well to portray that non league clubs only survive due to the family of supporters who help to run it and that the fans are truly passionate about their club and community.

 

 

On who gets on TV in the FA cup, it always has been and always will be the lowest placed teams left in who are at home will be on TV. This year Salford have been very lucky being drawn at home twice whilst others have been drawn away. The timing of the release of the class of 92 documentary has been perfect for them but I think if the documentary hadn't been shown yet then most people wouldn't be talking about it any were near as much

ON THIS,.

We have been asking for help for a while now and still got no reply.

 

1) A secretary for the Trust

2) Help on match days

3) More people through the gates on match days ( the club can only run on the money from the gate)

We are in a higher League but with less through the gate, It doesn't take a genius to work out were this goes.

 

Come on show your support.

[3spirit]

Most of what the 'class of 92' have done so far for Salford has to be admired.

There's just one snag to this. The ex-professionals seem to want to take Salford as high as they can, which sounds like they want to make Salford a ' higher up league' club.

To me they are missing the point of playing successfully in 'non-league football '.

 

Not all clubs want league football, and nor do all the fans/volunteers, that's why they go and watch a non-league club.

The trouble is everything is getting so 'profit-orientated' that the soul of many a club is being ripped out of it.

 

Commercially the money men make more money but who suffers most from this?

It's always the ordinary fan, who has to pay more to watch the same product. that's just been re-packaged and re.booted but has lost the essence of what was good about their community club in the first place.

[Stuntman Mark]

I haven't seen the documentary yet and I'm certainly a big fan of Gary Neville and Paul Scholes as pundits and I'll no doubt get around to watching it soon. On the surface it seems like a bit of a fairytale but I've been reading into it a bit more and found out the majority investor there now is a Singapore billionaire called Peter Lim who is involved at Valencia and in buying third party ownership rights of players. He's good mates with super agent Jorge Mendes. Was any of this covered in the documentary?

 

Then I hear things like they've changed the badge and the kit and are running the club pretty much as a full time outfit ... add to that the fact that all the media coverage they've had, whilst no doubt deserved has really focused almost entirely on the ex Man Utd players it makes wonder if they are really shining the best light on the non league game? It's hardly Blyth Spartans or Ronnie Radford hitting that screamer against Newcastle is it?

[3spirit]

ON THIS,.

We have been asking for help for a while now and still got no reply.

 

1) A secretary for the Trust

2) Help on match days

3) More people through the gates on match days ( the club can only run on the money from the gate)

We are in a higher League but with less through the gate, It doesn't take a genius to work out were this goes.

 

Come on show your support.

 

Trouble is, Epic Rebel, you're moaning to the converted !

 

I looked at what a Match secretary does and am not suitably qualified to help, as otherwise I would have put myself forward to do it.

People lead such busy lives with work these days, or with their wives ruling the roost, that many can not do it !   

 

We all know attendances are not good but least we have over 200. Many don't have this !

If attendances don't go up, we will have to stay in this division or go back down but surely we need to see what happens when we get our new ground.

Things ought to pick up for the better then.

[staines_rebel_Jr]

ON THIS,.

We have been asking for help for a while now and still got no reply.

 

1) A secretary for the Trust

2) Help on match days

3) More people through the gates on match days ( the club can only run on the money from the gate)

We are in a higher League but with less through the gate, It doesn't take a genius to work out were this goes.

 

Come on show your support.

 

Firstly I help to provide the home rebels radio commentary (plus occasional away matches) 

 

Secondly I enquired about making matchday posters at the start of the season but found out that it was already being covered (having just completed a product design degree I can produce promotional posters).

 

Finally and most importantly, I started supporting the club at age 8-9 and watched the club drop down the levels and get beaten week in week out when I was young and it would have been so easy for me to decide not to bother turning up and just stayed at home. BUT I DIDN'T, like many of those who still to come every week I was hooked and couldn't care about the result as long as there was still the friendly camaraderie and banter with the group of supporters I was with. I could easily have decided to stop turning up a long time ago but I still turn up and buy a season ticket (when I wasn't at uni in derby) which provides the club with a guaranteed amount of money at the start of every season. If we didn't have a group of supporters that are so welcoming, funny and passionate I wouldn't be here.

 

 

SO DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION MY SUPPORT !!!!

[staines_rebel_Jr]

I haven't seen the documentary yet and I'm certainly a big fan of Gary Neville and Paul Scholes as pundits and I'll no doubt get around to watching it soon. On the surface it seems like a bit of a fairytale but I've been reading into it a bit more and found out the majority investor there now is a Singapore billionaire called Peter Lim who is involved at Valencia and in buying third party ownership rights of players. He's good mates with super agent Jorge Mendes. Was any of this covered in the documentary?

 

Then I hear things like they've changed the badge and the kit and are running the club pretty much as a full time outfit ... add to that the fact that all the media coverage they've had, whilst no doubt deserved has really focused almost entirely on the ex Man Utd players it makes wonder if they are really shining the best light on the non league game? It's hardly Blyth Spartans or Ronnie Radford hitting that screamer against Newcastle is it?

 

It is quite a good documentary with several funny moments.

 

The Peter Lim situation is mentioned briefly with the supporters questioning the motives but the documentary doesn't focus on it very much at all.

[Windsor Rebel]

For someone who represents the club, Epic Rebel comes over as quite abasive in his

posts. Not a good advert for potential new fans reading this forum.

[epicrebel]

Trouble is, Epic Rebel, you're moaning to the converted !

 

I looked at what a Match secretary does and am not suitably qualified to help, as otherwise I would have put myself forward to do it.

People lead such busy lives with work these days, or with their wives ruling the roost, that many can not do it !   

 

We all know attendances are not good but least we have over 200. Many don't have this !

If attendances don't go up, we will have to stay in this division or go back down but surely we need to see what happens when we get our new ground.

Things ought to pick up for the better then.

It's not a match sec that's needed it's just a sec for the trust and we only meet about once every other month at most.

[epicrebel]

Firstly I help to provide the home rebels radio commentary (plus occasional away matches) 

 

Secondly I enquired about making matchday posters at the start of the season but found out that it was already being covered (having just completed a product design degree I can produce promotional posters).

 

Finally and most importantly, I started supporting the club at age 8-9 and watched the club drop down the levels and get beaten week in week out when I was young and it would have been so easy for me to decide not to bother turning up and just stayed at home. BUT I DIDN'T, like many of those who still to come every week I was hooked and couldn't care about the result as long as there was still the friendly camaraderie and banter with the group of supporters I was with. I could easily have decided to stop turning up a long time ago but I still turn up and buy a season ticket (when I wasn't at uni in derby) which provides the club with a guaranteed amount of money at the start of every season. If we didn't have a group of supporters that are so welcoming, funny and passionate I wouldn't be here.

 

 

SO DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION MY SUPPORT !!!!

yes and your 1 of few,

this is not a dig at who does it's a dig at who doesn't

[Stuntman Mark]

 

 

The Peter Lim situation is mentioned briefly with the supporters questioning the motives but the documentary doesn't focus on it very much at all.

 

Like I say, haven't seen it yet but I'm not sure having those local working class lads sell 50% of their shares to a foreign investment banker was quite the narrative they were after!

[epicrebel]

For someone who represents the club, Epic Rebel comes over as quite abasive in his

posts. Not a good advert for potential new fans reading this forum.

No this is a personal view hence Epicrebel nothing to do with the club.

Or an't I allowed a view.

 

Dan has tried the soft way maybe it need the hard sell.

I've always said that if you support a club it doesn't matter were they play you support them.

Also you need to read some of the other post to why people don't come on here any more   

 

3spirt 

 

Attendances not long ago it was said at least we have over 300, now 200. how long will it be before we're saying we at least we're in 3 figures.

[Windsor Rebel]

Epic Rebel:  where did i say you are not entitled to a view ? . I thought this thread was about Salford anyway?

[epicrebel]

Epic Rebel:  where did i say you are not entitled to a view ? . I thought this thread was about Salford anyway?

 

Well I pick up on this which was said in this thread,

 that non league clubs only survive due to the family of supporters who help to run it and that the fans are truly passionate about their club and community.

 

It just happened to be put up by SR jr

It wasn't at him, it was that I used his post as he brought it up.

[3spirit]

No this is a personal view hence Epicrebel nothing to do with the club.

Or an't I allowed a view.

 

Dan has tried the soft way maybe it need the hard sell.

I've always said that if you support a club it doesn't matter were they play you support them.

Also you need to read some of the other post to why people don't come on here any more   

 

3spirt 

 

Attendances not long ago it was said at least we have over 300, now 200. how long will it be before we're saying we at least we're in 3 figures.

 

Epic Rebel, I still say you're preaching/moaning to the converted !

Most of the people on here are the fans of Slough Town.

 

I think you may be better to walk down Slough High Street with a banner,drum and megaphone, shouting to the general populace about dwindling support of Slough Town FC than keep going on about it on this forum.

 

Apart from Salford, most non-league teams are struggling for support. Occasional Slough fans come out the woodwork for big matches like they did for the Mansfield FA cup game.

Potential new support will come to the new ground but at SYCOB, think we have to accept that many are just not interested or have any desire to attend our games.

Disappointing I know but not a lot that any of us can do about it.

 

Just as a matter of interest, how many new fans have been to a game from the initiatives that the Trust have held in the Observatory?

Is there any evidence that this has helped with numbers?  

[epicrebel]

Epic Rebel, I still say you're preaching/moaning to the converted !

Most of the people on here are the fans of Slough Town.

 

I think you may be better to walk down Slough High Street with a banner,drum and megaphone, shouting to the general populace about dwindling support of Slough Town FC than keep going on about it on this forum.

 

Apart from Salford, most non-league teams are struggling for support. Occasional Slough fans come out the woodwork for big matches like they did for the Mansfield FA cup game.

Potential new support will come to the new ground but at SYCOB, think we have to accept that many are just not interested or have any desire to attend our games.

Disappointing I know but not a lot that any of us can do about it.

 

Just as a matter of interest, how many new fans have been to a game from the initiatives that the Trust have held in the Observatory?

Is there any evidence that this has helped with numbers?  

You've picked on 1 bit of my post and joined it with another part of it.

What I'm saying is out of the 300ish supporters to do the stuff on match days promotions ect it's the same few (10 ish) people, doing not 1 job but 2 or even 3 over a season.

Take the Trust sec Prob only need to do 2 or 3 things over a month, + 1 meeting about every 2 months.

As said this is not a dig at the ones that do stuff now.

 

Take Sunday ¹/₂ hour out of someones life to help out once every 3-4 months and how many new faces turn up 0

My point is the people that don't come to watch is,

 

What will they say if the club folds,.,.,., you should of done this or that NO turn up and help the so called club you support.

 

This is not just about Slough it's about non-league football (ie Burnham), Nearly all club go to the wall because not enough people through the gate and not enough helpers.

 

Take Slough 2 seasons ago 300+ people saying we've got to get out of this (sh---) league play better teams get better players ect.

Neil & Jon done this and were is the support gone? down to 250+ Not helping.

So yes it's down to US all to get more new and old people through the gate.

(don't know exact numbers) the season tickets 20 ish are new people but the numbers haven't changed ish.

 

Sorry for the rant but I'm saying it as it is.

[Stuntman Mark]

A bit disappointed that a genuine attempt at having a little debate beyond what Paul Stonehouse is up to this weekend has ended up this way, but not entirely surprised. I'm not one for online arguments, I find them a mind numbing waste of time but epicreble - do you genuinely think your behavior on this forum is of any help to the club we all support or the supporters trust?

 

This week alone you have belittled and patronised several loyal Rebels fans. You now seem to be blaming the members of this forum for dwindling crowds when I'm pretty certain 99% of them are regulars. If anything you are in danger of putting more people off going. Do your really think your tone and manner is going to inspire us all to bring loads of people to the next game? I certainly try my best to get other people down to the games but it's a really hard sell at the moment. People just aren't interested! How many new people have you attracted to the club of the last season? It's not the guys on here who buy seasons tickets, 500 club tickets, raffle tickets, golden goal tickets, sponsor goals and players who are letting the club down on this front. 

 

I also looked at the secretaries job but I think the first three things I read were filling out insurance claims, taking minutes at meetings and writing Christmas cards. If you added sitting naked in a bath of rats you've pretty much ticked all the boxes of my most hated things in the world! Instead of blaming people for not volunteering, perhaps have a think about why they are not volunteering? How can you make the prospect of volunteering more interesting or appealing? Does it have to be a thankless dour duty we all must perform? I have a ton of respect for those who give up their time for the club but you need to accept it's not for everyone. People have young families, no transport or live miles away. Maybe some feel intimidated or put by the prospect of working with someone behaves the way you do to fellow fans on here? 

 

Still none of this is probably an issue for the Noveau Riche of Salford anymore eh?