Friendly v Wealdstone

[staines_rebel_Jr]

Sorry Martin but don't see the logic in a 4-5-1 with the squad we have and that formation is too negative to be played throughout the season. Jake Parsons is our best winger currently,in fact he's now the only regular one that is here and fit !

As good as Wazza is, we've got to give him time to get back to his best.

 

Some of us fans have rubbed Bakes up the wrong way by our comments on Chris Henry's leaving but we're all feeling raw with it. 

For all Chris's faults, we will miss his pace and forward movement getting at the oppostion's defenders, regardless, but if our managers can find us a suitable replacement/ livewire with pace on the left, then all will be forgiven !

 

I think that the 4-5-1 with Putman on the wing would work as he has shown good pace and some very dangerous crosses. however he probably wouldn't track back which so you might as well have had henry on the wing as he would have been better

[RebelDelaney]

We have had a number of flair players over the years and they all look great when the sun is out,then go up another gear when the team is winning.

But go missing when your losing.

No consistency needed over the season.

look what happens when the going gets tough against a tight hard defence and there are alot of those in this league its a cold saturday and a tuesday night away they disappear.

Do you remenber that shocker that Mr Wheeler had at Egham a couple of seasons ago and the sun was out.

Thats where Jake is different he has all parts and more to his game.

[Jon Underwood]

Some of us fans have rubbed Bakes up the wrong way by our comments on Chris Henry's leaving but we're all feeling raw with it.

Nobody has rubbed Bakes or I up the wrong way in the slightest!

 

He simply came on here to give you all a bit more information on the decision as there were a lot of comments on here about it. He didn't need to and there are probably only 1 or 2 managers in the league who would have taken then time to do so.

 

We are quite comfortable with people not agreeing with our decisions. We are 100% convinced it's the right decision for the team and people disagreeing does not concern us in the slightest.

 

We put in a very good performance on Monday night to beat a Conf South side and kept a clean sheet (something which everyone knows we struggled with last season) and this was without Chris in the side but if people want to talk about one player who wasn't even involved then that's their prerogative, it's a fans forum after all!

 

No more from me on this one, see you all on Saturday!

[Reading Rebel]

I think that the 4-5-1 with Putman on the wing would work as he has shown good pace and some very dangerous crosses. however he probably wouldn't track back which so you might as well have had henry on the wing as he would have been better

 

 

SRJ, in our PSF's to date have you seen the work-rate that Putts has been putting in? For a forward IMO it's been outstanding.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Reading Rebel

[3spirit]

Nobody has rubbed Bakes or I up the wrong way in the slightest!

 

He simply came on here to give you all a bit more information on the decision as there were a lot of comments on here about it. He didn't need to and there are probably only 1 or 2 managers in the league who would have taken then time to do so.

 

We are quite comfortable with people not agreeing with our decisions. We are 100% convinced it's the right decision for the team and people disagreeing does not concern us in the slightest.

 

We put in a very good performance on Monday night to beat a Conf South side and kept a clean sheet (something which everyone knows we struggled with last season) and this was without Chris in the side but if people want to talk about one player who wasn't even involved then that's their prerogative, it's a fans forum after all!

 

No more from me on this one, see you all on Saturday!

 

You're such a pushover,Jon !   

[Fulham Rebel]

SRJ, in our PSF's to date have you seen the work-rate that Putts has been putting in? For a forward IMO it's been outstanding.

Yes HR I am butt kissing again because I agree with RR, I see Lewis Putman as an asset to the team this season, and I believe we may have trouble holding on to him unless we get promoted (tall order) because I think he will only get better, yes he's a bit light weight but I think he will have more pace and trickery than a lot of opposition central defenders, anyway HR have you no work to do?

[3spirit]

We have had a number of flair players over the years and they all look great when the sun is out,then go up another gear when the team is winning.

But go missing when your losing.

No consistency needed over the season.

look what happens when the going gets tough against a tight hard defence and there are alot of those in this league its a cold saturday and a tuesday night away they disappear.

Do you remenber that shocker that Mr Wheeler had at Egham a couple of seasons ago and the sun was out.

Thats where Jake is different he has all parts and more to his game.

 

A fair point, RD but flair players bring excitement to the game. Without them the game becomes staid and dull. 

To my mind we're obsessing about Chris Henry's ability to defend but in my team I would only want him to play in one half and that would be in the opposition's. I would let him be the one player in the team to have a free role. We know he doesn't want to defend and isn't good at it so why bother making him so.

 

Anyway,it's all pie in the sky now. He's gone and we have to move on without him.

[Matt]

There's lots of talk about Chris Henry's ability or inability to defend, but another issue is discipline. If the guy can't turn up for training (or worse, matches) on time, then that's a problem which affects the entire squad. I was as surprised as most to learn he wasn't being retained, but having read Neil's reasons, very much less so.

[GlenSTFC]

Why should one player be allowed a free role and not worry about defending when everyone has to? Surely that would be favouritism and lead to disruption in the squad. No one player is bigger than the team and although it's not a popular decision the reasons are valid. TBH I only saw Chris in two games and wasn't impressed as he tried many times to take on a defender and failed and wasn't working enough to help his team mates.

[RebelDelaney]

On flair players I do like them but they must help the rest of the team I can remember shouting my head off at Steve Bateman to bring a winger on against Flackwell Heath at home when we needed the points for a play off spot.

We were 1 down early second half they then shut up shop and we needed the wide man to change it get balls in the box and get round the defence.

And as he always with Steve the player came on with ten minutes left to late then and we lost 1 nil.

You can see why the Managers were licking there lips looking forward to the new campaign last season before the Windsor friendly we had Warren Dobbo Jake and Jonnie Dyer all superb flair players who work there socks off for the team as well.

Warren gets injured out for season Dobbo after a pre season played incredible then got injured and was not the same again Jonnie struggled for form where he would put those through balls for others to get onto in the central league he was not able to do that with the strong defences in this league and Jake was not fully fit but got better and better as the season wore on.

If all those players were all fit for the season and on top of there game being inter changed by the managers look how many more goals and points we could of gained.

Again this season we have a number of them keeping fit and gaining form through out the season will be great for us to see and with luck comes more goals and points to boot.

I.m all for attacking teams thats what I have enjoyed watching over forty five years as a Rebels and Spurs fan.

I was never a Billy Fiore fan and Terry Brown we nicknamed him handbags as he would beat his man but  in a disco he would go back for it then tried to beat the same player again but they were top players.

COYREBELS

[GlenSTFC]

Couldn't have been Flackwell Heath RD?

[Graham Cox]

I think what comes through is that Neil and Jon want lads who are totally committed to their colleagues and the club and though we may question some decisions we cannot criticise the philosophy behind them.

[Reading Rebel]

I think what comes through is that Neil and Jon want lads who are totally committed to their colleagues and the club and though we may question some decisions we cannot criticise the philosophy behind them.

 

 

Darren Wheeler springs to mind. Great going forward but heavily criticised for his work rate when he lost the ball.  

[GlenSTFC]

Exactly and he was soon shifted out. These type of players are classed as 'luxury'.

Edited August 5, 2015 by GlenSTFC

[RebelDelaney]

Glen it was Chalfont

[RebelDelaney]

Glen and Graham just the player i mentioned in my post above

[3spirit]

Some 'luxury' players you can build the team around. I'm not saying Chris Henry is worth that but sometimes it's worth playing to their strengths,rather than making a mountain out of a molehill about what they can't do.

 

Chris is somewhat unique in his stature and opposition defenders last season found him a handful to mark and he improved our team when he came in to it.We know there are drawbacks to his football but are not privvy to what goes on off the pitch.

So I can only judge him by what I've seen of him as a footballer.Currently he is/was worth a place in our side's first 16, no question in my mind, but it's not going to be. So be it. 

[3spirit]

Exactly and he was soon shifted out. These type of players are classed as 'luxury'.

 

So on that theory you wouldn't have bothered with George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Glenn Hoddle, Paul Gasgoine, David Ginola, Gianfranco Zola etc etc.  

 

Games are boring with the same old,same old.

[GlenSTFC]

But I wonder how many of those you mentioned there 3spirit actually did help out, track back, defend, were a team player? Remember they were all full time players for top clubs where the skill level is obviously a lot higher all round, whereas at our level you have to compensate for the lack of skill with more graft, so that's where the big difference is.

[3spirit]

But I wonder how many of those you mentioned there 3spirit actually did help out, track back, defend, were a team player? Remember they were all full time players for top clubs where the skill level is obviously a lot higher all round, whereas at our level you have to compensate for the lack of skill with more graft, so that's where the big difference is.

 

Another thing,that I don't think we will agree on. You get talented players whatever level you're on, obviously most of the best get to higher levels but not always.

 

I will never agree that our team has to be filled with players that just graft. I actually think we're doing a disservice to the current squad, if that's all we think they are.

I'm not interested in watching a team full of 'Nicky Butts' or 'Roy Keanes'. I want to see a football team that put's it's emphasis on attacking play but is also resilient and aren't pushovers in defence. 

 

Going back a few seasons when the team was managed by Steve Bateman, we had a player called Dean Clark who had played for Uxbridge fc. At Uxbridge,he ran the show in the team. He was a fine passer of the ball and a creative player but when he arrived at Slough, Steve Bateman didn't know how to use him and most of the fans said he was lazy and didn't work hard enough for the team etc. Just like this debate about Chris Henry now.

In my mind,the best managers utilise a player strength's not undermine them.

 

Bakes and Unders have made their decision based, as much about his off the field antics, than just his footballing ability, so we all can understand the reasons now for Chris Henry's departure.

My view on football ability alone I would have kept him, not necessarily for the full season though,but definitely for the commencement of it.