Stadia Management

[Alice]

Reading all the comments written over the past few days, seems like your Club's only hope of survival is with the Stadia Management project. Has the result of the planning enquiry been announced, if not when is it expected?

 

The Club needs to move forward on this asap. I know some supporters are against a move to Basildon but stuff them..they're idiots. This move is in the best interests of progress. Basildon is gradually improving as a location and having a team of the calibre of BTFC will only improve the status of the Town. As Basildon grows in size and status, so will the team representing it.

 

There is a much bigger catchment in Basildon and if the team is successful, more and more of them will turn up to watch. Despite the banter between us, we at Canvey benefit from our competition with Billericay. As for the suggestion recently posted on our website that we should buy Billericay, I doubt that using the club to develop our youngsters would work in the longer term. Very few Canvey people would travel to Billericay to watch them.

 

By the way, I think I know who Crispin is. Although he is a regular spectator, few of the true Canvey fans have any time for his mischief making. I will be seeing him this weekend and I think I can put an end to his taunts.

 

Best of luck in the future.

[Simon BTFC]

Cheers Alice

Last thing I heard the assessor had yet to submit his report - a wee bit behind schedule, so we're likely to be waiting into the new year.

[The Observer]

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As for the suggestion recently posted on our website that we should buy Billericay, I doubt that using the club to develop our youngsters would work in the longer term. Very few Canvey people would travel to Billericay to watch them.

 

not often you see the smaller man trying to take over his bigger counterpart! Joking aside alice, maybe you could name & shame the dirty rotten scoundrel on here. A photo would be nice as well!

[Alice]

Won't name & Shame for 3 reasons;1.Everyone would know what I know...knowledge is power.2.My"influence" will be gone.3.deleted by jl. But I don't want another club to go under, especaly one with Billericay's history. What I've done has been for your club not you Chairman.

[Nitetime Neil]

Don't know or care who you are "Alice" but I resent being called an idiot for wanting to watch my team, BILLERICAY, play IN BILLERICAY ! Who gives a toss about the status of B******n and its improvement as a location? I know I am possibly in a minority, but I am not terribly bothered about "progress" and getting as many people through the gates, regardless of where they come from, and if I choose not to watch BTFC if and when they play in B******n, then thats my choice, and not because I am an "idiot". Its because I have my own mind.

[Alice]

Your comments defy logic and past events. Look back at the history of most premiership clubs and they changed their locations and fanbase in order to become famous.

 

So Billericay Town will move to Basildon and over the next couple of years they will come to represent that town. Basildon United are fading into obscurity and football fans in the area will come around to supporting your team and over time will form the majority of the Club's support.

 

You say you're not interested in "getting people through the turnstiles" but that totally ignores the needs of the Club's shareholders. The value of those shares today is zero, but a move to Basildon on the back of planning consent will change that situation totally. Those shareholders put their money where their mouths were and if they can sell at big profit after the move...good luck to them. As long as the football club moves forward, who cares?

 

I suspect most of the people who are against the move to Gloucester Park are unreconstructed socialists who look at life through rose coloured spectacles, and who hate the profit motive.

 

I repeat, they are idiots and a forward looking club like Billericay are probably better off without them.

[Guest]

Seems like Alice is Rod Moore's mouth piece. Shows what club officials think of loyal supporters Ah well, it seems they can do as they like. Reading other sites it seems that Chairmen at this level have no regard for fans.

 

[westy]

Where is Gasbag...or has he changed his name to Alice. Never been so quiet for so long and it's all a bit sussy to me.

[Nitetime Neil]

You don't get it do you? If I wanted to support a Premiership club or a non-league club that thinks it can survive in the Conference and go on to reach the dizzy heights of the pro game, I would do what hundreds/thousands of residents of Billericay/Basildon do and travel to London and watch West Ham or Arsenal or Tottenham. Maybe even Southend or Dagenham or god forbid, Canvey! But thats not me. I just want to watch my LOCAL team, the team that plays fifteen minutes walk from where I grew up and lived for 27 years, and I will continue to do that until it is no longer possible. And yes, I know I now live in SWF, but again thats part of the appeal - returning to roots, the old home town, familiar scenery, not turning up at Gloucester Park to watch some anonymous over paid strangers who play for a team that happens to be called Billericay Town. I know and accept there's absolutely nothing I can do to change things as they stand, so I will just enjoy New Lodge while it lasts. Christ knows what an "unreconstructed socialist" is and frankly I don't really care about politics or business. Alice, you are on a different planet pal - have a nice time there, but don't go around calling people "idiots" just coz they don't want to share your space.

[westy]

At last the voice of a true Billericay fan; one that's proud of the traditions of the Club created over many years. I hope Gazza and co read this and feel guilty. The gutless rubbish they spout makes you wonder what their true interests are. For sure they are not interested in preserving the Club as it now is.

 

You're right Neil, Billericay will cease to exist after the move to Basildon. It will become a team that represents Basildon, watched mostly by people from the surrounding area. Any link with your birthplace will fast disappear.

 

As for Alice aka Gazza aka Rod Moore, he is right in many ways. There is money to be made in moving to Basildon. Nearly all of this will go to the Chairman and his cohorts, and you have to wonder if this is the real motivation behind the move.

[GazzaBTFC]

I take great personal offence to called gutless consdidering that even though I use an alias, people know me to discuss my views posted here. Unlike yourself. I don't know you and I'm sure if invited, you certainly wouldn't pitch up to make yourself known. So if anyone here is gutless, it is you.

 

I would also make it known that I am not "Alice" or indeed Rod Moore and any views expressed here are all mine. I do not hide under a other alias to express them. And I am certainly not one of the Chairman's cohorts. I have nothing personally to gain from the move except a bigger petrol bill!!!

 

Neil has perfect right to express his preference to a lack of progress. If Neil had his way, we would still be a Essex Senior team. I would not knock him for that. Unfortunately, I don't wish to spend all my time remembering "Memroable Matches" and playing the same team, season in season out without some forward planning to play higher standard of football. That is my personal preference. That I believe success is measured by progress. I wish to see BTFC with a future. He was quite happy to take on board our success during the 1970's and 1980's from the Essex Senior League through to our first visit to the Ithmian Premier Division.

 

Which brings us nicely on to your other point...I have been supporting the club since 1974, I have seen 'em through thier lows and highs and New Lodge is where my heart is. Always will be. It is our home. But, my views on this have been discussed in earlier posts and message links and I can see no reason to dredge 'em up again at this late stage. Rod Moore knows how I feel, as I and other have raised our opinions at one this forum at the club forums and personally, face to face.

 

 

[westy]

The issue is not "progress", it is "progress at what cost". All fans want to see their teams win and move forward, but all real fans want to retain the teams identity. That's why Wimbledon is in so much trouble. Their supporters were adamant that the Club should retain its identity to the extent they boycotted the official team, and started a local team from scratch.

 

The reason most fans support their local team be it Billericay, Canvey, Hornchurch etc, is because they have a connection with the Club's location. In Neil's case he was born and raised in Billericay. He understands that the move to Basildon will mean that the Club he loves and has been brought up with, will no longer exist. Judging by the drop off in attendances, the silent majority of fans agree with him, and you and your cronies are very much in the minority yet you continue to argue a baseless case.

 

So we ask the question why? For those who own shares there is a clear financial incentive in that those shares will become valuable if the move unfolds as planned. They will be able to fill their boots with cash. Do you own shares? Is that your motivation?

[Alice]

Gazza, ignore the crap from Neil and Westy, I told you they have no brains and don't understand straight forward economics. I'll bet none of them bought shares when they were offered and they are now jealous that they will miss the bonanza. Money talks, always has- always will; seems straight forward to me. I only wish I owned some shares.

[c'mon ricay]

Very well said Alice but that is exactly the point as this isnt for the long-term benefit of the club but for the long term benifet of Rod, his cronies and stadia management. In my opinion in the long-term will lead to the death of the club

[GazzaBTFC]

Well thanks "Alice" but I will not ignore Neil. I have known him since well before 1980, I know his opinions and he knows mine. On the case of progress, we have always begged to differ like gentlemen, over a pint (of Coke, in Neil's case). Westy obviously doesn't know this. He obviously thinks that everyone that has a different opinion on this site, can't behave like reasonable humans and accept that and still be friends. Westy is obviously all "eaten up inside" with some bile that he needs to spit out on this forum.

 

Westy is just someone who is trying to cause trouble, stirring up something that has had all our opinions and views on it, if he took the time to glance back at the history of posts on this forum. I take it that he hasn't and therefore not done ALL his research. Just someone (someone who has a "beef" with Rod Moore - which narrows it down) who wants to cause trouble.

 

Westy - I am well aware of our attendances at the mo, I do read the Non League Paper. I am well aware that these low attendances are down for many reasons one, of which could be (note, "could be") due to the Stadia Development but also the position of the team in the Premier League amoungst many things.

 

As for myself being a share holder...the answer is no, I am not. I suppose you could knck me for that by saying that I don't support my team as well as I should by putting my money where my mouth is, etc., etc. We all have levels of support (as I have said) and levels of financial commitments. These are personal and are therefore not for yourself or anyone to comment. But I dare say you will, given that you appear to be able to comment about most things, as you wish to hide behind an "alias" and are therefore a coward. It is easy to knock anyone or any plan if you stand from a distance and are not known.

 

Westy, like Crispin before you, you are the worst kind of voice in the crowd, a coward. I betcha if you were face to face with any of us, we wouldn't even know who you were, or what your views are, due to the silence coming from your direction.

 

 

[westy]

Why do you avoid engaging in the key issues?

 

The deal with Stadia Management could have been done without the Club changing to a limited company. It's interesting that the change was said to be for the good of the Club, but it has been downhill all the way since. So it didn't benefit the Club but sure as hell it benefits its shareholders. In view of that FACT!!! its difficult not to question the assertions that the move will benefit your Club.

 

I'd bet good money that the majority of your fans were/are against the move to Basildon. But all we hear from, with one or two notable exeptions, is you and your cronies and you portray the upcoming move as having broad based support. Since you choose to ignore the fact that you are in the minority, it's no wonder you are seen as a lackey to Club officials. I'm still not convinced you are not Rod Moore and or Alice. Methinks thou doth protest too much!

[Ryan.c]

I can personally vouch for Gazza. He is not Rod Moore, just a humble supporter of BTFC. As for Alice, I thought he was a Canvey fan offering a view on the situation (unless that was a sly and cunning plan by a BTFC official to mis-lead us all!)? I don't understand your problem with Gazza. He has stated his views (as did Neil), but just because they don't match up with yours he is a Rod Moore cronie. I dare say that I'll be called a Gazza cronie now!

[westy]

I did refer to more than one crony and if you support the move away from Billericay, you are also one of the minority and probably a Moore crony.

As for Alice I'll bet money he is someone connected with the officials or at least he's one of your lot. Answer one question....how many fans do you know who positively support the move to Basildon?

[Ryan.c]

I thought I might have been labelled somebodys cronie! The fact that I've never stated my views on the move to Basildon on this forum, yet have been lumped in the "Rod Moore and cronies" bracket, makes you an utter twat in my book.

[westy]

I did say "if you support a move away from Billericay",do you or don't you?

How many fans support a move?