PINKO STUDENTS and EX PINKO STUDENTS

[pabird]

The othe way EFM is to find employment where that employer sponsors the student,mostly in banking and engineering they do exist but not in the worthless courses where employment can only ever be at the tax payers expense and the employment proves to be as useless as the qualification

[ESG]

and virtually every trade going does sponsorship...

[Chubbhead EFM]

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EFM The Firm, The Voice said:
And we'd ditch subjects like Art, how many people do Art and are now full time artists?

That's rubbish! Just because someone isn't an artist in the sense of the Turner Prize 'artists' doesn't mean their degree hasn't been useful to them. My manager did a degree in fine art and has used that to do some interior designing. In fact, he was a sculptor before working at Costa. My brother does an art degree and he covers photography, (which could lead to a career in newsphotography) the history of art and British artists(art historian, he could work in many art galleries around the world as he also does a foreign language at uni), perspective in drawings (architect), use of colour (interior designer). He could even end up an art teacher himself!

Just because a degree may not hold much so-called practical use, doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to study them. How many history students become historians? not many! How many history students go on to become teachers, politicians, journalists? A good number of them! Why should we all be made to study plumbing just because other people can't recognise the value of certain degrees(most of whom, don't even know the course content of the degrees they're slagging off).

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[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

I know loads of people who did Fine Art, the only two that have done anything remotely in that field work in a art shop and is a technition in an art college - everyone else, nish!

[EFM's Librarian]

Pabird - when you say 'the employment proves to be as useless as the qualification' on what criteria are you judging this 'useless employment'?

 

Would I be wrong in thinking your criteria are solely financial?

[ESG]

interesting points raised by 2 people who know "nish " on the subject

 

pabird & EFMTVV

 

oi! "nish" is my word circa Boys Own '89

 

 

chubbster dont give them the satisfaction,

we should all be welders and be done with it or play with an abacus

[Chubbhead EFM]

EFMTFTV, that's only a small percentage of people in relation to the amount of people who take art degrees. Plus, that's just people on Fine Art degrees. What about other art-related degrees such as design, photography, art history (if it's good enough for Prince Will, it's good enough for all of us!)etc. I'm sure they have their uses!

 

Anyway, degrees aren't always about getting jobs, in my opinion. Mmany people on here have never been to uni but earn a fair whack in good jobs. so why then do many people still pay large amounts of money to go to university?

 

Could it be for 3 years of piss ups? Possibly, but then why pay 3k a year for that when you can do it for free at home?To get away from your family? Maybe, but there are cheaper ways to do that (like going to prison!). Or perhaps a small percentage of people, like myself, actually want to be educated in the areas they have an interest in. Why shouldn't people be educated? I swear to God, it is a form of reverse snobbery.

[Chubbhead EFM]

Can't help it ESG, I'm an argumentative little sod! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[ESG]

good on yer!

 

im intigued as to whats a "worthless courses"

 

the only job i know thats worthwhile is a doctors...

[EFM's Librarian]

Question on the issue of top-up fees - are they intending them to be means tested? I realise I should know this, but I've been very busy lately.

 

 

 

[CANV EFM]

i think so yes.. if you dare to earn 'X' amount at a later date you become liable its intrest free which will swallow up half the money raised.. art students become art teachers.. soon there will be 30 teachers in each class..

if you want to study something that intrests you should someone else pay for it? especially once you are an adult.?

[EFM's Librarian]

If it is only payable once a certain amount is earned, then it becomes a lot more difficult to argue against.

 

Surely it's a redistribution of wealth away from those who have been in priveleged positions to those who haven't - and I personally would have no problem paying it.

 

As it is the government seems to want to keep giving me money to be a student. I got a full grant for my undergraduate degree, and now they're paying me 8 and a half grand to train to be a librarian! Apologies to Chubbhead if that seems a little unfair.

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

Why only apologies to Chubbhead?

 

You should be apologising to everyone on here.

 

 

[EFM's Librarian]

Fair enough - I'm very sorry everybody.

 

I only mentioned Chubbhead because she's the one who's having to save loads of money to go to Uni.

[CANV EFM]

i resent paying a penney to anyone.. all students should work their way though uni .. except those with rich parents who can employ poorer students as butlers etc

[Chubbhead EFM]

err...apology accepted Libro! Although I wasn't expecting one!

[pabird]

EFM--L Iwill answer if you confirm you have seen the full list of degree courses available

[Chubbhead EFM]

Actually, having looked through the prospectus for my university, I could do with 8 and a half grand! This is my financial situation:

 

(these are figures from last year for tuition fees, rent etc)

 

tuition fees:Maximum of 1,100 per year over 3 years= 3,300k

Rent for halls:at 59/60pounds over a maximum period of 52 weeks(as halls are for first years only)=3068k/3120k

 

So, a years university would work out at a maximum of 4220k per year. The maximum amount of loan is 3,815k.hmmmmmm...

 

Now luckily, my parents are going to pay for my tuution fees and I've had the sense to save up some money. But is it any wonder that people from low-wage families are being put off uni and don't want these top-up fees. Even if you had someone else paying your fees and you used your loan to cover a years worth of rent you'd only be left with a few hundred quid for travel, food, clothes, going out etc.

 

Oh, sod it, I'm gonna go work in a factory in Barnsley. See yer!

[EFM's Librarian]

Pabird - I agree that on the face of it some courses do seem ludicrously far removed from 'the real world' but as Chubbhead rightly points out, the purpose of doing a degree is not just to get a job in seemingly connected areas.

 

I'm sure if you gave the names of some of the courses that you believe to be worthless, lecturers from those courses could give you reasons and examples which they believed showed that those courses did actually have some use.

[AFF]

As far as your first point is concerned, EffemSel, I subscribe to the view that "Education is a good thing in itself", but at some point it cannot be at the taxpayers expense. The Lunatic is effectively legislating that the point is the age of 18.

 

Turning to your second point I suspect that the "use" that would be given to you by 'lecturers from those courses' is that those courses pay those Lecturers' mortgages.