3 point deduction

[Man From Mars]

If one of your promotion rivals had violated rules you would all be squealing for a points deduction for the club concerned no matter who is to blame  . I think a six point penalty would be apt punishment. 

 

Kev has spoken. 

[lovely stuff]

Blimey.All the trolls are sniffing blood.

 

Thought you were long gone MFM.

[lovely stuff]

Regarding the proposals.I am not that happy about it all...Firstly of course the Ryman league see problems with all three proposals.The easiest thing for them is to bury their heads in the sand and choose the path of least hassle.(ie- deduct 3 points and wash their hands of it all).

 

Secondly, why should we have to play Hendon again or be docked points from next season,when we checked with the FA if the player was liable for suspension .And they said he was NOT liable for suspension and OK to play..Its THEIR fault not ours ,so why should we receive or 'propose' an alternative punishment for ourselves.? 

 

Lastly the talk today about putting yet another video into the League in order to highlight yet ANOTHER unjust red card.Think about this: The fact that our club keeps highlighting poor performances from Referees and as such embarrassing the FA and winning appeals against their officials,may well  have got up the nose of FA/Ryman top brass and as a result they have dusted off an old and dealt with case from months back in order to beat us with long after the event??? Just a thought.

Edited April 26, 2015 by lovely stuff

[1F in Enfield]

All good points lovely stuff and I wasn't too happy with the proposals the club made either. I don't see the point of replaying the hendon game and I would think that's probably the last thing they would want. It's all down to the FA. Time to sit tight.

[lovely stuff]

Also,i thought the Ryman league had passed the matter back to the FA to decide any sanctions, if any?

[1F in Enfield]

As far as I know they have.

[lovely stuff]

So why are we writing to all clubs in the Ryman? Not criticising just enquiring?

 

Also,if the Ryman are seemingly finding problems with all alternative sollutions,then the FA should surely uphold their own initial decision not to impose any sanctions in relation to these matters.

[lovely stuff]

Just wait and see now i suppose...What will be will be.

[1F in Enfield]

Yeah I don't understand either. Hopefully a decision will be made soon.

[big guy]

As we have done nothing wrong lets wait and see what the FA have to say until then we can do nothing but wait

[Tiger]

You need to look at the bigger picture and the wider implications.

 

We found that one player had 3 separate records with the FA an no appetent process in place to check this. If it can happen to one player with quite a unique name how many more might be out  there and who’s responsibility is it to check this? If the league impose the penalty points  would this lead to a witch hunt by other clubs who either missed out on  promotion  or were relegated? Leagues up and down the country would be thrown into chaos.  Its not just a Ryman league issue but something that affects the whole pyramid.

 

This shows that the FA records system is not up to scratch in what should, in this digital age, be a simple and robust process. And not that I am saying it has happened but a club clearly could create a duplicate record for a booking prone player without anyone being any the wiser!

 

The FA have made their decision and ETFC  have the right of appeal. The league, because of the timing of the FA’s decision and the due process that now follows, have been put in an impossible situation. They may need to make a decision that is not in line with the letter of the constitution but has the backing of the clubs, hence the need to explain the situation to them. If the league simply impose the 3 point deduction before the  due process has been gone through and should the decision of the FA be overturned what would the league do then? Perhaps we would start with 3 more next season, what do you think other teams would think of that? The season can not be extended for many reasons. Therefore the board have tried to the league make a decision by laying out what they deem acceptable under the circumstances.

 

I would like to think whatever they the league decide to do that a decision is taken today that that full consideration and  is taken to the wider implications.

 

The season is not over yet and  regardless of what the league does we still have the chance of some silverware.

 

COYT.

[Jim Cunneen_68]

One of the Shortwood players got booked earlier this season and when the notification came through I saw immediately the number of bookings was wrong.. rang the FA and they had set up 2 different records both with the same name - both with our club - being the only vlub he has played for - they then tidied it up with an apology! but if I hadn't picked it up...

What chance have clubs got where someone has had previous clubs in the season and the FA do this?  And to then punish a club for their mistake... stupidity in the extreme...

[cup of tea]

Enfield fans will know far more than me on this matter but from what I can gather on this is that the FA screwed up, Enfield helped them and acted in good faith, were given a guarantee that the matter was over and then very late in the season had action taken against them. For me personally, the blame should rest solely with the FA and I think they need to look at their own procedures.

 

Of course, If I were a Met Police fan I would want the 3 point deduction to happen as it would get that club in the playoffs, but is it fair?

[JonC]

Has the guy not already served a two game ban by not being played as pre the following statement "The Club immediately informed the FA in January 2015 of the discrepancies and were told to not play the player in the next 2 matches and followed that advice"?

[Chase Side Towner]

Enfield fans will know far more than me on this matter but from what I can gather on this is that the FA screwed up, Enfield helped them and acted in good faith, were given a guarantee that the matter was over and then very late in the season had action taken against them. For me personally, the blame should rest solely with the FA and I think they need to look at their own procedures.

 

Of course, If I were a Met Police fan I would want the 3 point deduction to happen as it would get that club in the playoffs, but is it fair?

 

Has anyone ever met one? 

 

Agree with your summary though. No-one can understand why the FA have changed their minds.

[pl0926]

Can only sympathise with your plight, and the seemingly nonsensical change of mind by the FA, but there is one element that was omitted from your club's statements that seems important.

 

As per http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2015/mar/fa-charges-suspensions-fines-march-2015 Enfield were charged on 25th March and had until 1st April to respond. Why then were your board surprised to know they would be summoned to a hearing last week when the matter was clearly unresolved? What was the reason for the delay? Of course Tolfrey was infamously charged a day later and that matter is completely settled in plenty of time...

 

Not trying to stir things up, it appears like you are being well and truly shafted by the FA box-tickers who can't take responsibility for their failures, this just seems like an important piece of the puzzle that was omitted and possibly is the cause of the delay into the playoff dates.

[Chase Side Towner]

Can only sympathise with your plight, and the seemingly nonsensical change of mind by the FA, but there is one element that was omitted from your club's statements that seems important.

 

As per http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2015/mar/fa-charges-suspensions-fines-march-2015 Enfield were charged on 25th March and had until 1st April to respond. Why then were your board surprised to know they would be summoned to a hearing last week when the matter was clearly unresolved? What was the reason for the delay? Of course Tolfrey was infamously charged a day later and that matter is completely settled in plenty of time...

 

Not trying to stir things up, it appears like you are being well and truly shafted by the FA box-tickers who can't take responsibility for their failures, this just seems like an important piece of the puzzle that was omitted and possibly is the cause of the delay into the playoff dates.

 

I don't think the club got notified despite it officially appearing. Hard to believe I know but I'm tending to trust those at the club than those at the FA.

[theessexboy]

You know this whole situation could be resolved quite simply by two of your fellow Ryman League clubs, namely Met Police and Grays getting together.

They could jointly issue a statement today along the lines of "We consider that Enfield deserve to be taking part in the play offs. We are prepared to stand aside and for the play offs to take place based on current league standings, We will not consider making any subsequent appeal should any points adjustment be made".

That would be the decent thing to do IMHO, but can't really see it happening.

[andyetfc]

Gary's are out of the equation.

 

Just seen this. Happening elsewhere.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32488280

[theessexboy]

Grays not necessarily out of the equation Andy. ... If the old bill made the statement alone, and you eventually got deducted 3 points, Grays would then also be ahead of you. ... If they were a dodgy bunch, they could appeal saying "the old bill might have waived any appeal but we didn't, and should have taken part in the play offs as the next highest placed club".