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[Hammer_rebel]

Funny how u make a dig then say to move on..... Nathan.... Every ones entitled to their own opinion and mine is u don't single ppl out to make them feel bad u build them up and I've built a succeful salon doing so... Cause I know if I put them down all the time they wil leave and the same applies to football

Edited March 30, 2015 by Hammer_rebel

[Reading Rebel]

As a recently new Rebel I would to offer my view on a few things that I see following the number of disappointing results and post reports. In my view

it looks clear that the midfield area is one key area where the ball is either lost too cheaply or not won and that has put constant pressure on the

defence and you can't defend for long periods of time without mistakes sometimes being made. The team has shown that when the midfield is working well

and in control chances are being created, results and performances are good and we are up there with the best in the league.

Also,the management team could perhaps look at the way they challenge officials from the sidelines(and when they walk onto the pitch to have dialogue

with officials)when decisions go against the team as these protests will be picked by the players and replicated as the thing to do.

 

 

Not sure that players actions on the pitch replicates what they see from their managers on the touchline.

 

We have had managers in the past i.e. Steve Bateman who was generally quite mild and placid on the touchline but as a team we had one of the worst disciplinary records.

 

For most of this season our team has had one of the best disciplinary records in the division, it's only the last few games where it has started to deteriorate and action has been taken to stamp this out. 

 

Personally I like to see fire and passion from managers when it's warranted.

[richierebel]

Interesting reading this thread, I don`t normally comment but thought I would here as I don`t think Jon Black has said anything untoward here and people are jumping on him for no reason. 

Are we turning this into a political correct forum, just like at schools now when everyone gets a medal for taking part on sports day?  Unfortunately being reviewed or critiqued is part and parcel of any profession, mine is trip advisor, others might be rated trader, we have the right to respond if we don`t agree, but I am sorry I fail to see why people can`t write what they see on the field of play on a forum.

I know if i get criticised I do my best to prove that person wrong.  If people arent allowed to say what they think then the forum may as well be closed down.

Part of the fun of being a football fan is discussing what players we would like to see come into the squad for next season and if we cant say things like " I think we need a new holding midfield player" or "a new right back" then what is the point?

[Fulham Rebel]

Its just a difference of opinion Ritchie, some of us think constructive critisim is ok but don't see how personal criticism helps, so hence we air our views as well.

 

Stuart knows how I feel about this we agree to disagree but stay friends.

 

Sue

Edited March 31, 2015 by Fulham Rebel

[Reading Rebel]

If someone posted 'I think we need a new goalkeeper' because of x y z, is that constructive criticism or personal criticism? 

[Hammer_rebel]

If someone posted 'I think we need a new goalkeeper' because of x y z, is that constructive criticism or personal criticism?

Personal..

 

If you posted I think the goal keeper needs work with x y z that's constructive

[richierebel]

True Sue, although sometimes constructive criticism can spill over to personal criticism, intentionally or otherwise, what I was trying to say was that you can`t have a football discussion without sometimes singling out people, yes it is a team game, but individual errors are a big part of football, however if these players keep making the mistakes then surely we can discuss it on here.

 

My opinion is that certain players are suited to certain type of leagues, where as to me the league below was more physical and direct, this league is more about trying to keep the ball, but also faster and playing to feet through midfield.  The beauty of football fans is that although we may not be any good at playing ourselves we all have our opinions, we all love to win, we all like to watch good football. We all want what is best for Slough Town!

 

I shall end by saying though if your comments you put on here are not what you would say to a players face then it shouldn`t be on here, but I think most footballers are big enough to know when they havent played well, but equally as long as there is praise when they have played well and worked their socks off!

[Reading Rebel]

A player knows when he has had a bad game. He doesn't come off the pitch hoping no ones noticed and he won't be seeing his name mentioned in the match report or on the supporters forum as having had a bad game.

 

I see no problem with mentioning players names in an after match analysis on this forum if they have had a bad game as long as it doesn't become an over the top personal attack on the player/s.

[Neil Baker]

True Sue, although sometimes constructive criticism can spill over to personal criticism, intentionally or otherwise, what I was trying to say was that you can`t have a football discussion without sometimes singling out people, yes it is a team game, but individual errors are a big part of football, however if these players keep making the mistakes then surely we can discuss it on here.

 

My opinion is that certain players are suited to certain type of leagues, where as to me the league below was more physical and direct, this league is more about trying to keep the ball, but also faster and playing to feet through midfield.  The beauty of football fans is that although we may not be any good at playing ourselves we all have our opinions, we all love to win, we all like to watch good football. We all want what is best for Slough Town!

 

I shall end by saying though if your comments you put on here are not what you would say to a players face then it shouldn`t be on here, but I think most footballers are big enough to know when they havent played well, but equally as long as there is praise when they have played well and worked their socks off!

I guess that is the beauty of football and opinions, as the general consensus from most managers and players i speak too, is that the Southern Prem is one of the most physical step 3 leagues, and way more physical than anything we experienced last year, and without a doubt more direct.

 

Obviously there are exceptions to that, but I would say this has been far harder than last year in terms of physicality.

[3spirit]

I agree,Neil.I think when you go up the pyramid,you just keep getting better quality players against you and that from the Southern/Ryman/EvoStik Premier to the Vanarama Conference,physicality counts for a lot but of course,not everything. 

 

Sides that get promoted aren't going to run away with these leagues unless they buy their way to it. Unlike the Central league and lower,where sides who get promoted can readily climb the table when promoted ie Dunstable,Hanwell etc.

 

On this singling out business,I think there's a vast difference from making observed judgements about someone's game time than slagging a player off and destroying a player's confidence. I think most of us on here have tact and mean well. As I've said before the written word is far easier to misconstrue.

I also think that if you know the player personally that also has an affect on when someone else is saying a slight/criticism of a player.

 

At the end of the day,a forum cannot function without opinions but who on earth has to believe them !  I think most of us on here want what's best for the club and the managers/players that play for it. End of.

However,one man's[or woman's] medicine,is another one's poison.That's just the way it is.       

[Reading Rebel]

I agree,Neil.I think when you go up the pyramid,you just keep getting better quality players against you and that from the Southern/Ryman/EvoStik Premier to the Vanarama Conference,physicality counts for a lot but of course,not everything. 

 

Sides that get promoted aren't going to run away with these leagues unless they buy their way to it. Unlike the Central league and lower,where sides who get promoted can readily climb the table when promoted ie Dunstable,Hanwell etc.

 

On this singling out business,I think there's a vast difference from making observed judgements about someone's game time than slagging a player off and destroying a player's confidence. I think most of us on here have tact and mean well. As I've said before the written word is far easier to misconstrue.

I also think that if you know the player personally that also has an affect on when someone else is saying a slight/criticism of a player.

 

At the end of the day,a forum cannot function without opinions but who on earth has to believe them !  I think most of us on here want what's best for the club and the managers/players that play for it. End of.

However,one man's[or woman's] medicine,is another one's poison.That's just the way it is.       

 

 

At any level money normally talks. There are exceptions but generally most of the top teams and teams that win the league are the money teams.

[HorshamRebel]

That has to go both ways as well.

 

Some of the people on here moaning about what other people are saying at the moment are the ones that shouted "mafia" when people with different views to them moaned at them a few months back.

 

Basically it a bit of If you can't take it then don't dish it out

[3spirit]

That has to go both ways as well.

 

Some of the people on here moaning about what other people are saying at the moment are the ones that shouted "mafia" when people with different views to them moaned at them a few months back.

 

Basically it a bit of If you can't take it then don't dish it out

 

When you say 'dish it out'.I don't believe people are 'dishing it out intentionally to wound people'.  I know I'm not.

 

I think that the problem is that those closest to the club,can be overly protective of players/managers with whom they've personally got involved with.So any little knock becomes a mountain out of a molehill to them.

When others really don't know why they react like they do and are only putting a valid point across.

 

I think that it was Brighton On Holiday[sorry if it wasn't !], who raised a very good point that perhaps the forum should have real names put to the posts,that way no one can hide and then can take responsibility for their comments.

 

I'm all for honesty and openness.

[Windsor Rebel]

My view on this is that people are entitled to say what they want on here (within reason of course),

as long as they would be prepared to say the same things to someones face: no

hiding behind keyboards.

[3spirit]

If someone posted 'I think we need a new goalkeeper' because of x y z, is that constructive criticism or personal criticism? 

 

It's a bit like when Donald Rumsfeld,the USA Defense Secretary was answering a question to explain why the United States had invaded Iraq.He made it so clear!

 

This is what he said.......' As we know there are known knowns.There are things we know we know.We also know there are known unknowns.That is to say we know there are some things we do not know but there are also unknown unknowns,the ones we don't know we don't know.' LOL  !

[3spirit]

My view on this is that people are entitled to say what they want on here (within reason of course),

as long as they would be prepared to say the same things to someones face: no

hiding behind keyboards.

 

I agree,Windsor Rebel. I was one of those targetted as a 'keyboard warrier' by quite a few people when Steve Bateman was in charge.

 

One of those labelled a 'keyboard warrior' appears to have dropped out of this forum because of the flak that came his way for daring to voice an opinion [Cookham Rebel] which I found sad,as I never thought his posts were ever insulting.

 

Had Steve Bateman been like Bakes or Unders,in the way they've approached the forum and it's dwellers,Cookham Rebel could have still been on here.

 

I think that we've all got to make an effort to uphold the forum's rules and try to be tolerant of each other,without getting in all these tit for tats,which undermines what a good forum this is,to many other non-league ones on offer.

[jonblack]

Personal..

 

If you posted I think the goal keeper needs work with x y z that's constructive

So when we moved Jake on so we could get a better keeper ( the managers got that right ) isn't that  personal criticism then ?

[Glover]

So when we moved Jake on so we could get a better keeper ( the managers got that right ) isn't that  personal criticism then ?

Nope. If we had said Jake was fat and spotty (he isn't of course) then that would've been personal even though it had no bearing on his keeping abilities.

If we said there was a better keeper available then that is professional. There is always going to be a better player until you get up to the likes of Messi.

 

Also this is not a discussion about either keeper , both Jake and Luke are very good keepers.

[Martin]

Opinions are fine but there is a skill to trying to temper them to your audience. As a Slough fans forum you would think we want the same thing, the best results, team and performances possible.

 

Sometimes I think people go too far in their defence of the team and are too precious about criticism real or perceived.

 

Sometimes I think the criticism goes too far and goes beyond the bounds of supporting. Our role is surely to get behind the club.

 

As for Jon's original post that kicked this all off:

 

I disagree that we are "lucky" to stay up. Think we are about where we belong after a mixed bag of results throughout the season.

 

It did seem as if he was suggesting we need nine new first teamers which is definitely ott but he didn't actually slate anyone.

 

Personally my view is to progress in this league we will need to improve in all areas. The gaffers know this and will be looking to do this through their coaching and by adding to and changing some parts of the squad. Such as football ever was.

 

Straight away next season we have two new players in Wazza and Foulser. We'll see what else summer brings.

 

In the meantime lets get behind the boys and get a few more wins.

 

COYR

[Sir Rebel1965]

Has this thread deteriorated into a script for Jeremy Kyle?