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I thought he was a Cristian soldier serving in the Roman army in the Ottoman empire. I also thought that the Turkish thing was a rumour spread throught the left-wing media as a form of trying to dismantle our national pride.

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he was born in Cappadocia of noble, Christian parents and on the death of his father, accompanied his mother to Palestine, her country of origin, where she had land and George was to run the estate. He was martyred at Lydda in Palestine (Nicomedia). He held an important post in the Roman army - the rank of tribune, or perhaps colonel in modern terms - during the reign of the Emperor Diocletian (245-313). Dioclesian was a great persecutor of Christians (from about 302) and when the persecutions began George put aside his office and complained personally to the Emperor of the harshness of his decrees and the dreadful purges of Christians. For his trouble, though, he was thrown into prison and tortured. He would not recant his faith however and the following day he was dragged through the streets and beheaded.

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Oh and the day of his beheading? April 23rd.

 

Just for the record - in different places and times, much of the world has chosen Saint George as a Patron Saint. His slaying of the dragon as a symbol of the victory of goodness over evil endeared him to many. Even the Lord Baden-Powell chose him as patron saint of scouting!

 

Kind of makes the hooligans of the world look a bit stupid really?

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Stu M said:
Your starter for ten - discuss the merits of William III's Window Tax.


"This tax was introduced in 1696 as a replacement for the Hearth Tax and was often levied with the House Tax. It was repealed in 1851 when it was replaced by House Duty. The tax was worked out from a scale of bands based on the number of windows in the house. In 1696 all house were charged at 2s, properties with 10-20 windows paid 4s and those with more than 20 windows paid 8s. In 1747 the charges were: 10-14 windows at 6d per window, 15-19 windows at 9d, and 20 or more windows at 1s. By 1825 houses with less than 8 windows became exempt. The taxpayer was usually the occupier rather than the owner and they often attempted to camouflage or block up the windows to avoid payment. The number of windows is not normally stated in the return."

So therefore, like many taxes today, it was open to corruption and people dodging payments!
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Just typed in Sogs in Search and come across this debate. Sorry but I'd like to add my 10 pence worth.

The St George Cross is the National Flag of England. As carried in the past through many different era's, so lets not desecrate it by laughing it off with pedantic debate about the ex Roman soldier. Its ridiculous to say its been "hijacked" by a minority. Its England we're talking about.

As for "No surrender" then I'm not put off by anti IRA songs, sorry but even as a ex Graduate (from an Irish catholic Uni with many Irish Catholic mates/ex girlfriend) then I don't see the problem. Its not aimed at the Irish, just the Terrorists.

If your willing to lump the Flag of St George with so called "football Hooligans" then it appears you lump the Irish with the Terroists.

 

I have an interest as it was my dissertation subject at Uni. Sorry but long may we have the St George Cross.

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For those of you who don't know the words to the song here they are:

 

Keep St George in my heart, keep me English,

Keep St George in my heart I pray,

Keep St George in my heart, keep me English,

Keep me English to my dying day,

No Surrender,

No Surrender,

No Surrender to the IRA - scum!

 

Now as far as I can see the song is about pride in England, pride in the flag of St George, and our nations refusal to be bullied by cowardly terrorists masquerading as freedom fighters who have killed a great many law abiding British men, women and children, in both Ulster and the mainland, from both Protestants and Catholic backgrounds.

 

I'm certainly not a hooligan and I don't see how singing the above can be racist or anti-Irish. Therefore I will continue to sing it loudly and proudly.

 

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If a racist were to sing that song, it wouldn't make the song racist, the same way is it wouldn't make a football club racist if someone with racist views attended their matches.

 

The thing is fleet boy, it's not just the singing of that particular song that is seen as racist nowadays, it goes beyond that.

 

To have any pride whatsoever in our country's flag, culture, history or heritage is often labelled racist of xenophobic. School's are neglecting our history in an attempt to promote all things foreign and when children are taught of Britain's past they are taught to be ashamed of it instead of being proud of it. Council's in England are queuing up to remove the flying of our flag from local government offices, a prison officer lost his job after making a derogatory statement about the activities of Al'Qaida, and the next thing that the liberal elite have target is Christmas. I even heard that a seven year old school girl recently had her packet of bacon flavoured frazzles confiscated because it upset Muslim children. Ridiculous eh?

 

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Ok - just suppose the song wasn't a problem?

 

Why would it need to be sung at The 'Fleet(?????) - it's got sweet fa to do with The 'Fleet!

 

All the songs that were posted in here and people still want to sing that rubbish?

 

Nothing wrong with being patriotic - I'm the first to get annoyed that there isn't a box marked 'English' to be ticked on forms these days - but surely the idea is to have fun, with songs that take the p out of the opponents, the referee or songs that support your team?

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The thing is fleet boy, it's not just the singing of that particular song that is seen as racist nowadays, it goes beyond that.



The thing is, the song has an association with a section of society that is highly unpleasant and however much people go on about wanting to proclaim their English nationality, which is fine by me, to choose to do so by insisting they can use the No Surrender song is a highly dubious line of argument. If you read the other thread on here, 'Unpleasant element', it's clear that this song has become - political correctness gone mad or not - unacceptable. And for people to defend it as strongly as they do, whent hey could just as easily adopt more suitable songs like Rule Brittania or Land of Hope and Glory, strikes me as a tad suspicious as to their motives.

Who needs that song anyway? No-one's surrendering to the IRA, it's irrelevant. You might as well be singing No surrender to the Boers. There's a reason that song is sung, and that reason is - nine times out of ten - bigotry.
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