Edinburgh Should Go

[Nitetime Neil]

According to a live interview on BBC Essex I heard this evening, Rod Moore announced he had just refused Justin Edinburgh's offer to resign as he wouldn't accept a decision made half an hour after a 4-1 home defeat when emotions were running high, and would speak to him again next week.

Personally I feel he should accept it. Justin may be a decent bloke with his heart in the right place, but the hard facts are we are rock bottom of the league, the players he has brought to the club are clearly not good enough, his tactics are obviously not working and strangely he seems to show hardly any passion from the bench, leaving that to Tony Cross! I know there are severe restraints at New Lodge at the moment, but let's somehow make a change now before it's too late and at least give someone else a chance to rescue us from some form of relegation, whatever happens with the proposed League re-restructuring. They can surely do no worse and if we still finish bottom , at least we tried to do something.

Incidentally, if Rod IS happy with Justin and his team, I wonder what it was he came to the duguout to say to them when we went 3-1 down? Knowing Rod, I don't think it was "hard luck, chaps, chins up, keep trying!!!"

[Guest]

I think we should get behind the managment and not chant things like "going down, going down".

We need to support them during hard times, not make matters worse. The chairman obviously believes Justin can do it otherwise he wouldn't have kept him on would he? We must show faith too. I also do not think we shoudl speculate in negative ways either...

 

I have full support for all of the management team and I think all other Ricay fans should have too. The chairman holds the best interest of the club and if he feels it is not the right time for Justin (and maybe other members of the management team) to leave, then nor should any of the fans. If fans in general do think that, then they create a bad feeling in the dressing room and that will only make matters worse, and no one wants that do they????

[Tom_]

but justin could be doing the best that he can with what is available to him. Some players only seem to stay for a month or two then leave so theres no consistency in the team.

[Guest]

Justin does do the best possible with what he has, we do have to remember that the budget the season was always going to be low, compared to last season(well the beginning anyway!), and that is exactly why Gary Caulder left.

 

I know that we have not seen Justins full ability. He was a professional for many years and talks a very good game. We cannot blame the manager for some of the type of players that have played this season. He has taken the best players around that were within his budget. Unfortunately, some have not been good enough. So therefore, we cannot purely blame Justin for a team's position in the league.

 

If you still want to pass judgement on him and the management team, then ask yourself this question: "could you personally do better?"

 

If the answer is yes, convince the chairmen that you are the man for the job and take over... or stop critising!

[jl]

Sadly i agree with Nitetime Neil. To echo his thoughts its absolutely nothing to do with personality but more about making a choice between acccepting certain relegation (at this point cue someone who will tell me there are 20 games to go etc etc) or at least making a proactive effort to arrest the interminable decline.

 

the home games against aylesbury and northwood were crucial yet we collected 0 points from 6 and are now 4 behind the next team and a growing 9 from the sanctity of 5th from bottom and a play-off place.

 

joey nix (obviously a mate of justins and fair play to him for sticking up for him)says..could anyone else do better...well to my mind the root of all our problems has been the failure to have a settled and organised back four and that has been a problem that was highlighted as early as the pre season friendlies, our defending on saturday would have embarrassed a pub side. I totally accept that the budget isnt great, the players arent great but i still think we should be able to organise them into some kind of unit.

 

Admittedly from the outside, it seems that we have lost the players, the belief and now even some of the supporters. I'm gutted because I was all for Justin, a fresh face and a young team but sometimes you just have to admit that you are wrong and that applies to everyone.

 

 

 

 

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

I think your mananger should stay and take you muppetts down!

[Andy Walsh]

I'm afraid I think it's time for Justin to go, he seems nice enough, but nothing has improved. Something needs to be done whilst it still can be. Admittedly if Justin had inherited a better squad we probably wouldn't be in this position. Justin hasn't had long in the job and the quality of players isn't great, but we still shouldn't be in the dire predicament that we are. There are worser squads in the league than us. To survive we are going to have to win half the remaining games, which I can't see us doing under the current manager. Sticking with Justin could effect our finances further because if we keep losing the crowds are going to get lower and lower. The maximum chance I think we can give justin is until the end of the year to change things around(i.e. 4 league & 2 cup games).

 

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[ray bellici]

Just who do you think you're going to get as a replacement? Aside from JJ, Hockton, Ansell and possibly Dormer this is a 1st division squad, these players that come and go are chasing the dollars or have been given short shrift by Justin and sent on their way. The bulk of them would have been recommended by his management team and none of them likes to admit a mistake, a prime example is S.Jones highly recommended by Cross and yet hasn't put a foot right. Cross and his cronies aren't going to let him go. There was only one team in it for twenty minutes yesterday, the defence crumbled, Penn has had a shocking season thus far and yes, maybe needs a rest. Polsten was pleading to come off after their 3rd. The little jolly that this management team enthused about pre-season has imploded, the sh%t has hit the fan, only the bravest will survive. Please stick with it Justin, and have a good look at those closest to you.

 

[Simon BTFC]

Ultimately the question is whether, with the current management and players will we escape the bottom 4? The answer looks like being no, particularly after yesterday's capitulation. There obviously needs either to be a change in management or playing staff therefore. Of the XI that started yesterday's game, all bar Luke Graham and Michael Black did pre-season with us. For me the problem with the players is not lack of ability, although they're obviously not the best players in the world they're not the worst squad in this league, it's more mental - they're going onto the pitch believing they're going to lose.

 

All through the season it's been much the same problem - when teams have a go at us we start to panic and when they score we fall apart. Whoever the manager is, he is going to have to make some drastic changes to the squad if only to bring in some players that believe in themselves a bit more.

 

[Andy Walsh]

Completely agree with what Simon says.

 

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[The Observer]

I think this could go a few ways, and all are potentially doomed. Edinburgh could go, then we get someone in who has the same players the same problem and the same budget. Could anyone else pull us out of the mess we are in? Edinbiurgh stays, we get relegated and everyone says told you so. But in all of this, this is edinburghs team. He didn't inherit this side, this is his own making. But on the other hand, how much is our budget? Surely it must rate as one of the lowest in the legue. Overall i think there is a fair amount of sympathy for edinburgh amongst supporters. He has been let down by certain players, but as a manager you should recognise this and react. Overall I say stay Justin and ride the storm. this club has so much potential, we're in a rut, but now is the time to stand up and be counted. I say stay, the rewards are far greater than quitting now.

[pabird]

Amazing piece of nonsense really that the playing staff and the coach-manager always take the stick

The executive management of the club (once proud club) should be somewhere down the line of a three-five year plan

In the past three-two seasons you have had the makings of a class outfit with a string of wins to show for it

But each time success looks viable collapse in fiscal then playing terms

Which management level should be looking to accept responsibility and moving on, the executive makers and controllers of the plan or the coach-management of the playing side ?

[paulc27]

Sort of agree with a little of everything that has been said so far.

as far as justin goes, i have said before on here that its the people around him that 'know the non league game' that have bought in these players. Justin cannot make bad players into great ones. Against him i would say there has been some bad decsions, one being russ williamson. why get the lad in only to keep him for three games. He was such a similar size to marlon and Jones, that it was clear from day one we couldnt do with 3 midgets in the team. How can you tell a player is no good after so few games playing for a team bottom of the league? the lad has proved himself at heybrige now and good luck to him.

the biggest prob we now have is attracting players to the club. dont know why richard thomas left but be honest, he was quality and a quality player shouldnt and wouldnt want to be playing for a club rock bottom of the league. the best we can expect to attract are players in the lower leages and playing for billericay regardless of league position would be a step up for them.

As for playing budget, well i cant believe teams like heybridge are paying masses more than us, but have a look at the league table today and look how they are pulling away. they have got their results through shear hard graft which is something our boys just havent been doing.

If i was justin, i would want to walk away from this, the players are letting him down so far as the effort being put in, but as far as ability goes, the lads are simply not good enough for this level. The occasions where we have looked like competing in games have been against lower league teams.

Justin has been let down by the team and the people around him and yes he has made some mistakes along the way but he is new to management and non league.

dont know if changing the manager is the answer but i know the players let themselves, justin, the chairman and most off all the supporters down on saturday. I have never felt the urge to walk out of a game a half time but i sure came close to it on saturday.

[Always Blue12]

In response to Bellici's comments, as stated in previous threads think before you talk, as what you have said so far is the biggest load of Sh%te I have ever heard. Cross as you call him did recommend S Jones to the club, if he was not here he would have been playing for Thurrock as Mr McBride was very close to signing him, things have obviously not gone as Jones would have liked, but has he done anything more wrong than your players player and supporters player of the year 2002/03 has done? So your blaming Crossy, very, very blinkered mate. Can you also tell me who Crossy's cronies are? Jones is the only player Cross has recommended to Justin, so please please, please get your facts right. If you are putting the blame on Cross for Bilericay's position then think again, he is always in the clubhouse after the game and is always willing to speak to people, ask Gazza (supporters club VC), so don't hide behind e-mails go and speak to him.

[paulc27]

Always Blue, at the fans forum night Justin pointed out that it was very difficult for him to go out and see players as we play and train pretty much the same nights as other teams, but he said that we have people out there watching. clearly from this there are people around justin that are recomending the players. As justin didnt name them i think most are assuming tony cross is one of these people.

[Paul S]

this seems to be a very tricky situation, and i'm not normally someone who supports a change of manager.

the one thing that i feel all billericay sides have lacked over the past few seasons is genuine team spirit and fight needed to grind out results in this league. the only reason we havent done as badly in past seasons is because of the quality of the players we have had. at the moment (and in my opinion the last 3/4 seasons)players never look like they are willing to work FOR one another, and play FOR the club. that is where (and how) teams like heybridge do better than us. they are in a similar situation, but the players are playing for one another and season after season they stay in this league because they can grind results out.

IF (thats a big if) we get a new manager the most important thing he would need to work on is team spirit. the situation isnt helped by the continual change of the team. the team is never settled and as a result no continuity is established. i believe the players have the ability to stay up, they need the belief, and the players need to stick together and really fight for it.

[pabird]

I have never seen a side where the team spirit starts and finishes with the coaching-playing staff it begins in the boardroom travels through the coaching-playing staff into and including the ground staff

I.E the bigger team!

[Guest]

I have read all of the above with interest and have come to the conclusion that the situation here is similar in a way to that at West Ham.

 

West Ham had Glen Roeder, Billericay have Justin Edinburgh both decent individuals with limited management experience.

 

West Ham have Brown and his cronies who are ruining the club, Billericay have Rod Moore doin effectively the same thing. Brown developed Upton Park with its hotel where no-one stays Rod Moore is trying to build a stadium at Baso which no-one will go to.

 

Brown & co invested no money in the playing staff what happened West Ham got relegated, new manager put in place still struggling. There is no investment in players at Billericay, the team will probably get a new manager but will still get relegated.

 

The bottom line is that the board at Billericay have to take TOTAL responsibility for the mess the club is in at the moment. You only have to look at the crowds now going to the games to realise that its looking pretty terminal. All you have left are the die hards.

 

Wasn't it Mobrien who once asked 'what's the contingency if the stadium is not built'. Guess what the answer is voluentary relegation to the Essex senior league. Great

 

The only hope is for a change at the top and an injection of funds into the club like has happend at Hornchurch. You guys sure enjoy slagging off canvey and hornchurch but at least they have chairman putting their money into the club.

 

It saddens me that this once great friendly family club I supported through the 70's and 80's has ended up like this.

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

I have been reading the various e-mails posted throughout the last couple of months, and I feel that it is about time that I say something about the drivvle/assumptions that has come out on this forum aimed at myself. When Justin was appointed, I was asked if I could take up the post of reserve team manager/youth development and assist Justin and Andy on Matchdays, this I have taken on. Unfortunately, I have not been able to set up a youth team under the Billericay banner, due to not being allowed to register in a league, but rest assured we do have a number of quality youngsters(16,17,18) that will be appearing in the reserves very shortly. Comments I have received from supporters regarding this years reserve side have also been very complimentary, after victories against Hornchurch, Waltham Forest, draws against Bishops Stortford and two narrow defeats against Dagenham, in all of these games we have been playing against very strong sides that have been made up of a lot of experienced 1st team players. We were hoping that a number of reserves would get a chance of some first team experience towards the end of the season, when we were hopefully in the top thirteen, away from relegation, obviously we are now in a dogfight and some of these reserves have been pushed in and done reasonably well. If I may respond to Paul C, if you are at our games(Tuesday's) home/away I am always on the bench, Monday's I train the reserves, Wednesdays, I attend reserve team games and Thursdays I pop into the ground after coaching my young lads side to see if Justin requires any players for Saturday, so Paul C, as you can see I would be a very clever person to go and watch players/games in between times, so please do not assume anything until you hear the facts. As I think Always Blue has stated I did recommend Steve Jones to the club and I will personally stick by him, because the lad is a quality player, but even he knows that he is playing well below the standards he sets himself. Apart from Jonesy none of the first team squad have been recommended by me. My commitment to the club is five days a week. I have never been asked by Justin or Andy to go out and look at players, if he wanted me to I certainly would. Justin is 100% commited to this job and the club and I am 100% behind him and Andy. We are in this together and hopefully we will get out of it together. I look at threads posted by Ray Bellici and Paul C and think to myself is it worth it, and then people like Always Blue put a different angle on it. As Always has said if you feel you have a problem with me please do not hide behind e-mails, come and have a chat with me after any 1st/reserve team game. I don't know what repercussions this e-mail might have on me or my job, but I feel this needed to be addressed.

[paulc27]

Crossy, what on earth did i say to provoke that! if you read my last thread i was actually sticking up for you mate by saying that people assume its you who is looking at these players. As i see you at every match day why would i think you are one of these people who are out looking for players?!! I have said that the people around justin are the ones responsible for bringing in new players, but i have never singled you out mate, so if im being accused not getting my fact right then i have to say, you are not reading the threads very well or taking them the wrong way.

Personally i feel i have been quite supportive of justin, i must have said half a dozen times that justin cannot make average players into great ones, and as our league position suggests we are no more than an average team. I agree we have some good players but we dont have a good team, the league table doenst lie. i have never said that justin should go, as i dont think thats the answer. apologies if ive offended you mate, but i really dont see how i have!

also crossy not sure if that was a dig about being at home and away games, but going back to facts, i have missed about 10 games in 3 seasons so i think i would know whos who, im passionate about this club as im sure you are.

at the end of the day everyone is an expert on the game, are they not!?