Ched Evans

[Loose]

Well I think any intelligent person could deduce that my opinion being consistent on both ex-convicts whilst stating that rapists should get heavier sentences might mean that I'd like our judiciary to be tough on crime but that our society punish criminals inside jail and not out of it. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to work that out. I expect you to turn the argument into a personal one, because that's what you do.

[Rhodes]

I expect you to turn the argument into a personal one, because that's what you do.

Not at all, why should I do that, it just goes to show you have a guilty conscience doesn't it.

[Loose]

How predictable. Oh but I did. 

[Rhodes]

Loosely - You defended the child killer goalkeeper Luke McCormick if I remenber and now you are doing exactly the same with Ched Evans. No doubt you will argue that the pair have served their respective jail sentences but how do you think the parents of the two little boys McCormick killed and the parents of the young woman Evans raped feel, particularly the father of the boys who is in a wheelchair for the rest of his life.

[Loose]

As usual, nowt to do with it. They don't place parents of the victim on the jury or the bench. Nobody needs to feel the experience to have the right to a balanced opinion, the fact that you want to bring emotion into it Rhodesly merely goes to show that you can't make a balanced judgement.

[RalphC]

The guy should be free to work in any field that he chooses as long as it is not in breach of the law.

 

End of story!

[Big J R]

The man is a convicted rapist, (pending any appeals).

 

He has no place in sport where his past could affect up and coming youth.  And what on earth would the blossoming Ladies football teams think ??  I have spoken to one daughter and two grand-daughters, all heavily involved in football and I daren't tell you what their answer to the problem is.

 

Just lets say, that it does involve the use of a very sharp knife and a lot of blood !!

Edited November 23, 2014 by Big J R

[Loose]

Affect up and coming youth? Why? You think any of these lads are Role Models? Get real. At the top level they are petulant pampered over paid thugs, cheating on and off the pitch, diving and playing for fouls and for others to get sent off, the odd racist here, an ex England Captain preferred over the victims of his offences - so an FA and England Management set up that condones their activities. At the lower levels there's hardly a week goes by that one hasn't attacked another player or worse an official. Testosterone fuelled Role Models, maybe.

 

And so you've daughters and grand daughters who condone violent measures in response? Doesn't that sound great?

 

No, you carry on ignoring the issue and continue to see football as some sort of noble activity. It's merely entertainment with angels and sinners but winning at any, not just all costs and spectators who prefer to glamourise something they're not seeing.

[RalphC]

The man is a convicted rapist, (pending any appeals).

 

He has no place in sport where his past could affect up and coming youth.  And what on earth would the blossoming Ladies football teams think ??  I have spoken to one daughter and two grand-daughters, all heavily involved in football and I daren't tell you what their answer to the problem is.

 

Just lets say, that it does involve the use of a very sharp knife and a lot of blood !!

 

Indeed he is. However he is also a free man who has served his time.

 

So if a female player raped a man, would you say that she should not play for the women's team again as the men's team might object?

 

Just curious?

[missunderstood]

Indeed he is. However he is also a free man who has served his time.

 

So if a female player raped a man, would you say that she should not play for the women's team again as the men's team might object?

 

Just curious?

Would you be happy if a convicted rapist was signed by the club you support. 

[RalphC]

Would you be happy if a convicted rapist was signed by the club you support. 

 

If Wealdstone signed one, then yes, no problem.

 

It is not illegal for people to resume their previous careers.

 

Should a person convicted of manslaughter never be allowed to work with humans?  

 

Or a person convicted of drink driving not be allowed to drive?

 

If he attacked children, then he should not be allowed to work with children, but he was not.

 

Should he not be allowed to have a relationship?

 

The last time I looked preventing him from returning to his job was actually illegal. or does the law not work both ways?

[missunderstood]

If Wealdstone signed one, then yes, no problem.

 

It is not illegal for people to resume their previous careers.

 

Should a person convicted of manslaughter never be allowed to work with humans?  

 

Or a person convicted of drink driving not be allowed to drive?

 

If he attacked children, then he should not be allowed to work with children, but he was not.

 

Should he not be allowed to have a relationship?

 

The last time I looked preventing him from returning to his job was actually illegal. or does the law not work both ways?

That being the case you obviously have very little respect for woman, or standards of common decency. If my club knowingly signed a convicted rapist I would never watch them again.

[Loose]

That being the case you obviously have very little respect for woman, or standards of common decency. If my club knowingly signed a convicted rapist I would never watch them again.

So if you respect the rule of law you disrespect women? Sounds a bit made up really. I've always 'respected' women but this all sounds a bit like some people feeling the need to big themselves up.

[RalphC]

That being the case you obviously have very little respect for woman, or standards of common decency. If my club knowingly signed a convicted rapist I would never watch them again.

 

Not at all - I have every respect for women.

 

However, you can't restrict a person from having lawful employment.

 

Based on your response, I assume that if someone was driving a Ford and was caught drinking and driving, you would a) ban them for life from driving and refuse to buy a Ford if Ford sold them a car in the future. Daft isn't it? As I am sure you would do neither.

 

Why then prevent someone from doing a job that they want?

 

Or should everyone be banned from their career once convicted of a crime?

[missunderstood]

Not at all - I have every respect for women.

 

However, you can't restrict a person from having lawful employment.

 

Based on your response, I assume that if someone was driving a Ford and was caught drinking and driving, you would a) ban them for life from driving and refuse to buy a Ford if Ford sold them a car in the future. Daft isn't it? As I am sure you would do neither.

 

Why then prevent someone from doing a job that they want?

 

Or should everyone be banned from their career once convicted of a crime?

If anyone is convicted of drink driving there should be a minimum ten years driving ban, and if someone has been killed, or injured they really should be banned for life, IMO. As a high percentage of cars are bought second hand,and no manufacturer can control that market,   your "Ford" argument therefore is a rather silly one.

Edited November 24, 2014 by missunderstood

[cup of tea]

For me - if it's the case of a first offence and the person is young and naïve, has made a bad judgement without thinking and has served his/her time and is genuinely regretful, then maybe you shouldn't punish a person twice for that. If that person did it again, then I would have a problem. Isn't there a 3 strike rule in the US?

 

Things like rape and murder however, where the person has made a conscious decision to break the law in the most despicable way I would say needs to be treated differently.

The murder of Lee Rigby for example, that was clearly pre-meditated and I'm not going to show too much remorse for the two guys who did that.

[Big J R]

Affect up and coming youth? Why? You think any of these lads are Role Models? Get real. At the top level they are petulant pampered over paid thugs, cheating on and off the pitch, diving and playing for fouls and for others to get sent off, the odd racist here, an ex England Captain preferred over the victims of his offences - so an FA and England Management set up that condones their activities. At the lower levels there's hardly a week goes by that one hasn't attacked another player or worse an official. Testosterone fuelled Role Models, maybe.

 

And so you've daughters and grand daughters who condone violent measures in response? Doesn't that sound great?

 

No, you carry on ignoring the issue and continue to see football as some sort of noble activity. It's merely entertainment with angels and sinners but winning at any, not just all costs and spectators who prefer to glamourise something they're not seeing.

 

 

You've quite obviously never seen the trauma and stress that rape causes women.

 

If you had, you would know that the act of forgiveness is not on the agenda for any female involved in this indignity.  The majority would exact extreme revenge if possible.

[Loose]

You've quite obviously never seen the trauma and stress that rape causes women.

 

If you had, you would know that the act of forgiveness is not on the agenda for any female involved in this indignity.  The majority would exact extreme revenge if possible.

Well I've seen the trauma a rape causes a teenage boy. Does that count? Don't presume you know what any one has seen Big JR.

 

Whatever I've seen I still believe that rehabilitation of criminals is necessary for them to pay their own way in life.

[RalphC]

If anyone is convicted of drink driving there should be a minimum ten years driving ban, and if someone has been killed, or injured they really should be banned for life, IMO. As a high percentage of cars are bought second hand,and no manufacturer can control that market,   your "Ford" argument therefore is a rather silly one.

 

Likewise banning someone from lawful employment or restricting their human rights is also silly.

 

Saido Berahino today has been arrested for drink driving. Many clubs and supporters promote drinking before, during and after games. Should he be banned for life as a result as recovering alcoholics might be affected by seeing him play?

[missunderstood]

Likewise banning someone from lawful employment or restricting their human rights is also silly.

 

Saido Berahino today has been arrested for drink driving. Many clubs and supporters promote drinking before, during and after games. Should he be banned for life as a result as recovering alcoholics might be affected by seeing him play?

As far as I'm concerned rapists and drunk drivers that kill permanently lose their "human rights".  

 

Perhaps you would care to explain how a recovering alcoholic would be affected by watching a drunk driver play football.