Big J R Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I'm surprised no-one has started a thread on this alleged British barbarian. I'm not particularly happy with the nick-name the press have given him though, seeing as my CHRISTIAN name IS John !!!! Comments anyone ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pilgrim Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I think the media outlets are doing more harm than good . Although censorship is generally bad in a free society, I think in this case a news blackout ( or at least a picture blackout) would be a good idea. These idiots thrive on publicity and they would have loved the Sunday Mail spread this morning. They are no more than psychopathic killers. Cameron talks about bringing them to justice but hopefully not in this Country with our liberal justice system - if he they are caught alive then I hope the Americans get them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I think the media outlets are doing more harm than good . Although censorship is generally bad in a free society, I think in this case a news blackout ( or at least a picture blackout) would be a good idea. These idiots thrive on publicity and they would have loved the Sunday Mail spread this morning. They are no more than psychopathic killers. Cameron talks about bringing them to justice but hopefully not in this Country with our liberal justice system - if he they are caught alive then I hope the Americans get them I'm not sure if a news blackout is a good idea as we all have a right to know whats happening in this wicked world of ours. A picture blackout sounds reasonable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 They are more than psychopathic killers. These people on the whole are usually pretty normal Folk until they are brainwashed by some vile preacher of hate,they are then promoted into the ranks and commit these vile crimes while no doubt pumped full of adrenalin or something else believing their cause is justified. Not sticking up for psychopaths but at least their excuse is that there is something mentally wrong with them in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pilgrim Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Good point Eastside, although I would maintain that anyone who could allow themselves to be "brainwashed" by a madman in a black frock, must be mentally lacking in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup of tea Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Unfortunately, you do get impressionable people that want to be lead or people who feel isolated from society who then get taken advantage of. I don't know what the answer is but we cannot allow this country to churn out animals like this, it's barbaric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pilgrim Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Unfortunately, you do get impressionable people that want to be lead or people who feel isolated from society who then get taken advantage of. I don't know what the answer is but we cannot allow this country to churn out animals like this, it's barbaric. This once great country was famed for it's democracy, freedoms and justice system. These qualities ( plus benefits) attracted people to come here from all over the World. Unfortunately some of them don't want to accept our values and they have abused the freedom and democracy that they would never have had where they came from. You might find it surprising that I don't blame them at all - I blame the the limp wristed, politically correct, left wing liberals, who have infiltrated the government; the schools; the clergy; the police; the justice system, local government etc, etc etc. No wonder the Scots want independence !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yeah I think we can blame the government and I think the message is getting through. Maybe the Scots referendum will bring some change with politicians realising that a lot of us are unhappy with how we're having to live our lives now when it's not what we want. Really I want to blame these losers who have arrived here, either within one generation or five who have had all the opportunities laid on a plate for them, it was good enough for their parents but not them. They're just losers who like the idea of getting hold of a big gun and taking out all their 'unhappiness' on people without big guns, or even machetes. Anyway, some of them are already back after finding out that it was a little bit too hot for their liking, a little too likely they'd lose their skins and all of a sudden 72 virgins in heaven didn't hold the same appeal. Some of them want to carry on the fight here and they need keeping an eye on or being interned before having their citizenship revoked and put back on a plane. New laws need to be brought in. We need to stop all this fannying around with schools only teaching arabic or urdu, in fact we need to stop any school teaching anything but english as the 1st language, all students need to take a citizen test including history too, anyone who fails does national service and gets another chance to pass the test after every two years. It wouldn't hurt if assemblies were held every day when students and staff sing the National Anthem, take pride in where they live and the heritage this country holds. Nothing wrong with different religions, they just need to realise that all religions are tolerated here and none can take precedence over another or citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup of tea Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I don't disagree with any of that Loose. There has to be a common framework in any country, one set of rules that is beyond race or religion, rules that apply to all. If those rules can be changed to accommodate other religions/cultures that then don't have any adverse effect on the rest of society then for me that's not an issue. There also has to be a primary language that anyone being educated in this country has to be taught which in this country has to be English. Not to do so literally causes communication problems. Tolerance isn't a one-way street, and I'm sure there's a lot of people from other races who wouldn't disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 I think you'll find that after the result of Thursdays referendum is known, either way Cameron will make a decisive statement of attack and side with the U.S.A now that several arab states are in line with America.. And about time too !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup of tea Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 As long as we don't risk any more soldiers on the ground - I think we've had enough of deaths and injuries in the armed forces in the last few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pilgrim Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I think you'll find that after the result of Thursdays referendum is known, either way Cameron will make a decisive statement of attack and side with the U.S.A now that several arab states are in line with America.. And about time too !! It's not so much over there that concerns me - it's our own backyard. There are Muslim communities in the USA and most are reported to be patriotic to the stars and stripes. Over here it is different. Whilst I accept that most are law abiding, they need to stand up to the radicals and assist the authorities in rooting them out. If they don't, I fear for the future and Tony Blair's holy grail - multiculturalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup of tea Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 That's where my main concern is. We need to work with those communities to stop these people spreading their vile messages and beliefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Loose pretty much has it spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 That's where my main concern is. We need to work with those communities to stop these people spreading their vile messages and beliefs Probably easier said than done. There are now a few Muslim families living on my estate. They aren't rude and will nod a reply to a 'hallo', but that's as far as it goes. They won't make any effort to integrate and mix with the majority 'white' residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The problem is that for years after the original influx they were herded like sheep into certain areas,the ones with money eventually moved to the more wealthy suburbs and integrated whereas the areas the majority remained grew as more arrived. Maybe they could of made more of an attempt to integrate but at the same time,I remember the 80s and IT had a far more racist feel to the decade than 30 years later and many probably felt they wouldn't be acceptedt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup of tea Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 There's mistrust on both sides, it's not going to be easy to integrate - especially when you have extremists on all sides stirring things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 ............... and now I see on the news that a 16 year old school-girl from the Bristol area has managed to get out of the country and arrive in Istanbul to make her way to Syria and join ISL. So much for border controls both IN and OUT ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Looks like after the latest barbarous murder by an alleged English subject, the allies will be stepping up more air-strikes. The sooner the Brits add Syria to their hit list, the better ! Come to that, certain areas of Pakistan could do with a few early November 5th 'bangs' !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Looks like after the latest barbarous murder by an alleged English subject, the allies will be stepping up more air-strikes. The sooner the Brits add Syria to their hit list, the better ! Come to that, certain areas of Pakistan could do with a few early November 5th 'bangs' !!! The problem with "bangs" is that innocent people get killed. When armchair generals call for military action knowing full well they will never consider risking their own lives, it always seems slightly hypocritical to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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