Smudge Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Since the change in the Referees Secretary,there seems to be a lot of new names on mitoo,taking charge of CCL Games.Have the old school been sidelined,The Official at Bedfont Sports last night was doing his first level 4 game in the middle after being promoted from level 5 last year,he did ok,but looked a little edgy at times.Likewise Krooners comments about only playing 39 mins till half time,then coming out to play the remainder of the short first half,then kicking off the 2nd half straight away,is amazing,but where are the Assessors.Maybe the reason could be that a new clique is emerging, as far as Referees are concerned.A bit like when players follow Managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tel Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I was at Ashford last night, going back many many years I was a Lino on the league, if the ref got it wrong with my two timepieces ticking I would have stepped in showing the allotted time was still in the future. It's a first for me, a game of three unequal periods of football 1:39min. 2:6min. 3 45 min it will add to 90 min I hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krooner Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Last night was a referee that had gone from 7 to 4 in one season. Fast tracked but clearly not yet up to it. I believe there was an assesor there and he may also have been with his mentor. I still do not understand with what everyone was saying taht he didnt just go back and play the last 6 minutes. The league do not dictate who is on the league though Smudge. They are given Level 4's of which I understand there may be up to 50 of on the CCL this year. If they stay fit and get even games I make that roughly 1 game per month. Not enough IMO. I think over the last few years the officiating has gone up a level in this league. I am afraid to say that the first 2 I have seen haven't given me any confidence so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mewcenary Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Some points on this: 1. As Krooner says, the league gets allocated the Level 4s for the season. I think there are about 50 indicated in the Handbook. Naturally, there will be a mix of newly promoted L4s, those that have remained on the list from the previous season(s), and those that have been demoted from the level above. 2. The FA / Contributory leagues get first bite of the Level 4s. Holidays, illness, not having passed the fitness test etc also reduces the referees available for selecting for any given CCFL fixture. This is why you will see Level 5s on Premier games at times - No Level 4s were available. 3. Typically, it does work out that a Level 4 referee will have 1 or 2 Premier games per month. 4. Level 4s need to referee a minimum number of games (I _think_ this is 12) in the marking season, which runs from March until the end of February. This means that newly promoted Level 4s will tend to get priority at the beginning of the season, as they will be 'behind' the others. 5. For the league to have its supply status, a minimum of 50% of games must be covered by assessors. As part of the 'catch up' mentioned in (4), newly promoted referees will tend to be assessed more than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMcCreeth Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 As a current player in the SSMFL Premier and from conversations with referees, when they are assessed they have to follow the Laws of the Game, which allows no room for common sense. When they are left to it and have no-one watching over their every move you see a lot of common sense used and the game naturally flows because all the little things are just left to slide and dealt with with a quiet passing word not a whole show and lecture to please a muppet with a clipboard. You will always get the busy effs that think they are big time and do everything by the book and over the top but from games I played in there where very few referees that i thought where 'bad'. With every descision they make someone isnt going to be happy with it no matter if its right or wrong. I dont know if i see things from a different point of view because I also do a bit of refereeing on Sunday football so have an inside view on refereeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krooner Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 As a current player in the SSMFL Premier and from conversations with referees, when they are assessed they have to follow the Laws of the Game, which allows no room for common sense. When they are left to it and have no-one watching over their every move you see a lot of common sense used and the game naturally flows because all the little things are just left to slide and dealt with with a quiet passing word not a whole show and lecture to please a muppet with a clipboard. You will always get the busy effs that think they are big time and do everything by the book and over the top but from games I played in there where very few referees that i thought where 'bad'. With every descision they make someone isnt going to be happy with it no matter if its right or wrong. I dont know if i see things from a different point of view because I also do a bit of refereeing on Sunday football so have an inside view on refereeing I did it for 16 years mate and normally will defend the refs but last nights was indefensible !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudge Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Kroons has seeen the light,or maybe he has lost his marbles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beano Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Last night was a referee that had gone from 7 to 4 in one season. Fast tracked but clearly not yet up to it. I believe there was an assesor there and he may also have been with his mentor. Wow - I've never heard of a referee going 7-4 in a single season. I know of a number that went 7-5 but that explains a lot about last night's performance. That's too many levels to jump so quickly. There was indeed an assessor there who said after the game that the way the timing issue was resolved was correct in law, as play hadn't restarted, but you could tell he was far from happy. On the other hand, the referee concerned will never forget that match and will have learnt a lot from it, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britman Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Interesting to read about the First Half played till 39 mins From the FIFA Laws of the Game 2014/15 Allowance for time lost Many stoppages in play are entirely natural (e.g. throw-ins, goal kicks). An allowance is to be made only when these delays are excessive. The fourth official indicates the minimum additional time decided by the referee at the end of the final minute of each period of play. The announcement of the additional time does not indicate the exact amount of time left in the match. The time may be increased if the referee considers it appropriate but never reduced. The referee must not compensate for a timekeeping error during the first half by increasing or reducing the length of the second half. Clearly, he ended the half. So should've started the second half only. IMO. No mention of coming back out to finish the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I did it for 16 years mate and normally will defend the refs but last nights was indefensible !!! Blimey Kroons ! That's a statement I NEVER thought I'd see coming from you. One minute League are moaning they can't get referee's, and that referee's are leaving in droves because of abuse and interference, and then we get this fast tracking 7 - 4. I don't think we can have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie10 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I spoke to a level 5 ref recently and he wants to get in on CCL and can't, says it's a closed shop for 'outsiders' to get involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krooner Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I spoke to a level 5 ref recently and he wants to get in on CCL and can't, says it's a closed shop for 'outsiders' to get involved! Nothing to do with the league mate. If someone applies to be a 4 and passes a fitness test then they are there and they get put into which ever league the FA deem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mewcenary Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I spoke to a level 5 ref recently and he wants to get in on CCL and can't, says it's a closed shop for 'outsiders' to get involved! Only Level 4 referees may referee on the Premier. Level 5s with appropriate experience (i.e. they _used_ to be level 4 or above) can be used if there aren't enough L4s to cover the fixtures though. Div 1 games can be covered by level 5s. The thing is, there are a LOT of referees that want to join the list. I remember a few seasons back there was a waiting list and I doubt that situation has changed. Things will be worse now the Reserves division has gone so there are fewer games to go around. Typically, each L5 will get one game a month, perhaps less than this. There is a system where the lowest marked referees will be removed which frees up space, and of course there is natural wastage, but there is still that waiting list. In addition, priority will be given to Level 5 referees who are going for promotion to Level 4. Its important they get games at a good level to gain experience, including the use of neutral assistants, so Div 1 is ideal for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 So it all depends if you're on the level then ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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