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[E&E Rich]

I have no knowledge of South Kilburn so for member clubs to vote against a fellow club they must have been unpopular. However, I thought the F.A. made the decision on who goes into the top six Steps of football now?

[Krooner]

its like me retiring and going as the head of referees,i could say i know what refs are all about because we all play on the same pitch,am i making any sense ? and before the b1tching starts i am only asking the question,is it right ?

People bitch on here Duncs.  Not having that

[Part Time Par]

I think referees end up in these positions as they are used to completing paperwork throughout their "careers", and it increases the higher up you go. The also have an understanding of rules & regulations so that must help, and obviously are impartial to the clubs.

 

Club secretaries (who deal with a lot more paperwork) usually stay within clubs, so that usually rules them out as they have enough to do there, and I would suggest that not many players have dealt with paperwork so to be thrusted into a position of authority in a league might be a recipe for disaster?

 

Therefore retired referees stay in the game by working on leagues.

 

That's my view anyway.

[mal316]

I have no knowledge of South Kilburn so for member clubs to vote against a fellow club they must have been unpopular. However, I thought the F.A. made the decision on who goes into the top six Steps of football now?

 

Rich, I think that the issue here was the vote was for member clubs to allow SK to withdraw their resignation.  As they had resigned the FA would not have placed them in the CCL.

[Big J R]

I'm sure we'll hear more on the subject later.

[Smudge]

Referees Secretary Martin Eldridge is certainly going to be a busy man,as well as looking after CCL Appointments,he also has to look after the Surrey Primary League Clubs Refereeing appointments,which has 500 teams on its books.How will he find time to get out and watch any of the Officials he appoints,how will he judge the Fitness of who he appoints,Will he know who he appoints,more importanly will he suffer burn out.I hope he gets paid a retainer.

[Big J R]

Referees Secretary Martin Eldridge is certainly going to be a busy man,as well as looking after CCL Appointments,he also has to look after the Surrey Primary League Clubs Refereeing appointments,which has 500 teams on its books.How will he find time to get out and watch any of the Officials he appoints,how will he judge the Fitness of who he appoints,Will he know who he appoints,more importanly will he suffer burn out.I hope he gets paid a retainer.

 

 

The words  'A Glutton For Punishment'  spring to mind

[Powelly1]

Surrey Primary League clubs sort their own refs I believe.

[Craig Fennell]

The other rule change that surprised me was a possible reduction in the premier league by two clubs. The league are not looking to do that of course, so why put the rule in? If the FA come knocking next year then of course it makes it easier for them to force the league to do it now. And when I asked the chairman how they would reduce the prem by two clubs he assured us it would not mean 5 clubs are relegated. So it can only mean that 3 clubs would go down and only 1 promoted from Div 1. Or 2 get promoted from the Prem and no one comes down. Lets hope that if there is a reduction it is not to the detriment of anyone in a promotion position in Div 1.

I think it will be 3 down and 1 up as this would give Div 1 two more clubs and the number in that division are not great. Add to that ground grading. Surprised any Div 1 club voted for it.

[Smudge]

The other rule change that surprised me was a possible reduction in the premier league by two clubs. The league are not looking to do that of course, so why put the rule in? If the FA come knocking next year then of course it makes it easier for them to force the league to do it now. And when I asked the chairman how they would reduce the prem by two clubs he assured us it would not mean 5 clubs are relegated. So it can only mean that 3 clubs would go down and only 1 promoted from Div 1. Or 2 get promoted from the Prem and no one comes down. Lets hope that if there is a reduction it is not to the detriment of anyone in a promotion position in Div 1.

I think it will be 3 down and 1 up as this would give Div 1 two more clubs and the number in that division are not great. Add to that ground grading. Surprised any Div 1 club voted for it.

Good job I was not Invited to the AGM,2 pieces of what was voted for by All Clubs,just goes to show they have not got a clue.

 

Firstly voting South Kilburn out,Div 1 now consists of 15 teams,so every Saturday 1 team will not have a game,great thinking by all concerned.My inside source tells me that the vote to not let them back in was 22 against v 15 for,hardly a massive majority.

 

Then Craigs bombshell above,voting for 20 Clubs in the Premier,not a FA directive,but a League proposal,do Turkeys vote for Christmas they certainly do amongst CCL Clubs it seems.When will you ever learn that the League by doing this,are only safeguarding their interests,not Member Clubs,they need to keep the numbers up in Div 1,for their own egos,and by voting for their proposal,you have shot yourselves in the foot.Lets hope your Club does not finish in the bottom 3 next year,if you voted for this ludicrous amendent.Remember you pay a LEAGUE Membership Fee,for the CCL to look after your best interests,which by the above proposal,they are not doing.Reminds me of the Women who walks into the Bookies,slaps her bristols on the counter,I'll have them on Dodgy Al in the 3.30 the bookie says sorry Madam,we cannot take them,the Women says that cannot be right,you allowed my Husband to do his Testicles on Soppy Sid in the 3.00.

[Powelly1]

Reducing the Prem to 20 teams thereby adding numbers to div 1 does make sense though Smudge. Lots of people on here - yourself included - are concerned about what will happen with div 1 next season. This is a positive step to try and make sure there is a div 1 mate. Personally, I think 20 clubs is perfect for this level. Chuck in all the cups that clubs enter - say four minimum - and that's 42 first team games minimum. If you then add in reserve, youth and, in some instances, groundsharers then you're looking at approx. another 20 games on your ground. That's a total of approx 40 games on your ground in one season - more than enough in my opinion. It's not like losing two home games off the fixture list would dent the coffers that much either, as the money made from those two games would probably just about cover the expense of putting the games on!

 

As far as South Kilburn are concerned, believe me Smudge, you do not want people like their manager involved in football at all, let alone at this level. You should agree with that after what happened with him and Terry. I doubt he'll step aside, therefore no thanks.

[Krooner]

Referees Secretary Martin Eldridge is certainly going to be a busy man,as well as looking after CCL Appointments,he also has to look after the Surrey Primary League Clubs Refereeing appointments,which has 500 teams on its books.How will he find time to get out and watch any of the Officials he appoints,how will he judge the Fitness of who he appoints,Will he know who he appoints,more importanly will he suffer burn out.I hope he gets paid a retainer.

Fitness test tells him about their fitness Smudge.  Assessors tell him how refs are doing.

[Bronco]

Agree with Smudge totally about the lower numbers in the Premier division. Keep it at 22 and keep the potential of 3 up and 3 down. Both divisions went to the last games of the season and that was one of the reasons. Never come across South Kilburn, just the reputation. Somebody commented on another thread that it wasn't worth having the extra 2 games a season to keep them. Whilst 22 to 15 is not a landslide, it also isn't marginal either.

[Smudge]

Reducing the Prem to 20 teams thereby adding numbers to div 1 does make sense though Smudge. Lots of people on here - yourself included - are concerned about what will happen with div 1 next season. This is a positive step to try and make sure there is a div 1 mate. Personally, I think 20 clubs is perfect for this level. Chuck in all the cups that clubs enter - say four minimum - and that's 42 first team games minimum. If you then add in reserve, youth and, in some instances, groundsharers then you're looking at approx. another 20 games on your ground. That's a total of approx 40 games on your ground in one season - more than enough in my opinion. It's not like losing two home games off the fixture list would dent the coffers that much either, as the money made from those two games would probably just about cover the expense of putting the games on!

 

As far as South Kilburn are concerned, believe me Smudge, you do not want people like their manager involved in football at all, let alone at this level. You should agree with that after what happened with him and Terry. I doubt he'll step aside, therefore no thanks.

Makes no sense at all Powelly,the League were not forced by the FA to reduce numbers at Step 5.However if they had even mooted the idea,you would of been up in arms about such a proposal,and rightly so,but to vote it in at an AGM is ludicrous.The League should be pushing the FA to lower the Ground grading level at Step 6,so as to allow more Clubs to enter.The thing is with the CCL Mentality is I'm alright jack,is does not affect us,but a year is a long time in Football,will it be 3 down,1 up this year,do you know,does anyone know,just to keep the numbers up in Div 1.Look at last seasons end of season shambles,when teams in a relegation place,had finished their season,before other Clubs in a relegation place had played theirs.

[Big J R]

Nice to see some open debate on interesting subjects WITHOUT people resorting to abuse and name calling, and long may it continue !

Edited June 27, 2014 by Big J R

[Powelly1]

Agreed Big JR. I welcome other opinions - get as many as you can and then make your own mind up, that's the way I think.

I agree about the relegation bit Smudge, that wasn't great. I also agree about the step 6 ground grading - very valid points mate.

I think for this league 20 teams in the Prem is enough. If it means div 1 is kept going as well then that's a good thing, right? You can still have 3 up/3 down after the initial sort out and if the grading gets lowered and you could possibly get to 22 in each then do it. I think as a (hopefully) short term initiative it's a sensible idea.

[Krooner]

I think 20 is a sensible number for the Prem to have.  Step 1, 2 and 3 should be 22, Step 4 and 5 should be 20 and Step 6 18.

 

that is my view and think it would make a whole lot of sense.  Ground Grading can be too strict IMO and could be changed.

[VPCTFC]

I'm sure I read somewhere that the league have approached the FA about relaxing gradings at step 6. The FA aren't interested. In most parts of the country it's not an issue but in the south east we've had so many sides sucked up into steps 3 and 4 as they keep expanding in numbers and planning permission is more difficult that we've run out of clubs to fill the gaps. It doesn't help that our league covers such a small area. In the not too distant past it went from Wallingford to Brighton, now it's Hartley Wintney to South Norwood. It looks pathetic on a map compared to other step 5 leagues.

 

There are plenty of teams in the Surrey Elite and below who've publicly stated their desire to play in the CCL but the grading issue is holding them back. There are a couple actively working towards floodlights and I hope they can start joining our league in the future or else Division 1 could loose it's step 6 status. This is a real possibility, the FA have done it with step 7 leagues who've fallen below a certain number of clubs in their leagues so the CCL have to be realistic and do what they can to keep numbers up.