A couple of non league snippets

[Holyport Rebel]

1 hour ago, Reading Rebel said:

Marc White at Dorking is making the point that if the season was scrapped the 11 million already received from the National lottery would be wasted and it would cost the tax payer more money in Furlough claims than what is required with the grant money. 

  

 

I guess you are referring Reading Rebel to the Marc White interview that I have just watched on Youtube, which I think was recorded this morning before the suspension of the League was announced. (Sorry, I haven't the tech know-how to put up the link.)

I found it very interesting to listen to ,and I thought he spoke very well about the situation different clubs find themselves in.

[Shredding Green]

46 minutes ago, Holyport Rebel said:

I guess you are referring Reading Rebel to the Marc White interview that I have just watched on Youtube, which I think was recorded this morning before the suspension of the League was announced. (Sorry, I haven't the tech know-how to put up the link.)

I found it very interesting to listen to ,and I thought he spoke very well about the situation different clubs find themselves in.

 

[HEAVY TRUCKER]

at last in what i consider at correct decision has been made i'm just sad that it has taken so long to make, the suspension of this seasons league is a correct one and should have been made before christmas,and unfortunately i think hat with borises comments today i think it will / should be extended or cancelled until next season or until covid has been pushed back to where we the supporters and players and staff can take part in relative safety.?

[Sir Rebel1965]

If the league try to play games in the next 3 months then they need to be held accountable for any adverse health issues with players or club staff and the league will then have blood on their hands and be totally liable.

This sould be classed as corporate manslaughter and as Directors of the National League they will end up doing porridge.

The two week suspension is a joke as nothing positive will change with the Covid situation in that time as it only looks like things will get worse with the new varients and the suspected higher mortality rates.

[rebelbrewer]

4 hours ago, Sir Rebel1965 said:

If the league try to play games in the next 3 months then they need to be held accountable for any adverse health issues with players or club staff and the league will then have blood on their hands and be totally liable.

This sould be classed as corporate manslaughter and as Directors of the National League they will end up doing porridge.

The two week suspension is a joke as nothing positive will change with the Covid situation in that time as it only looks like things will get worse with the new varients and the suspected higher mortality rates.

Completely agree - it's just kicking the can down the road. It's time to stop sport entirely. Just look at the issue with the Australian Tennis open. Heard on the news today that Sri Lanka are battling a second wave, yet we've sent our cricket team to travel and play there. For most employers the current rules are for people to work at home where they can and only work covid safely according to specific guidelines otherwise. There is no way to play football covid safely.

[Bernie Gogan]

Watched the Marc White interview. Not quite sure how furloughing players would cost more than the 11 million grant from Oct - Dec. Surely the furlough scheme refers to your primary full time job and not your part-time one, in which case the cost of furloughing will be limited to those full time sides and not all of the league's clubs?

Anyway I'm completely in agreement that the NLN & NLS leagues need to be voided or resumed next season, as long as Covid has diminished sufficiently to allow spectators back safely.

 

 

[Reading Rebel]

https://www.hungerfordtown.com/news/chairmans-statement-2596189.html

A scathing attack on the DCMS from the Hungerford Chairman.

Again he states that the cost of Furloughing staff and players would dwarf the cost of the £11 million grant money at a huge cost to the tax payer.

 

 

[Reading Rebel]

In a letter from the Warwick and Leamington MP on behalf of Leamington fc to the DCMS he states that it's the National League who infer that the cost of Furloughing will exceed the cost of Loans or grants.

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Reading Rebel

[rebelbrewer]

26 minutes ago, Bernie Gogan said:

Watched the Marc White interview. Not quite sure how furloughing players would cost more than the 11 million grant from Oct - Dec. Surely the furlough scheme refers to your primary full time job and not your part-time one, in which case the cost of furloughing will be limited to those full time sides and not all of the league's clubs?

Anyway I'm completely in agreement that the NLN & NLS leagues need to be voided or resumed next season, as long as Covid has diminished sufficiently to allow spectators back safely.

 

 

You can be furloughed from more than one job if you have more than one - the HMRC claim system treats them separately. I think the 80% of £2500 per month limit applies to both roles but whether HMRC are tying multiple roles together I highly doubt as whilst you have to give the individual details of furloughed staff you don't enter separate amounts claimed.

[Neil Baker]

As I mentioned RR there has been no proof on those numbers other than people bandying them about.... unless I am shown otherwise I believe it is a figure that has been plucked out the air for maximum impact.

 

[rebelbrewer]

4 minutes ago, Reading Rebel said:

In this letter from the Warwick and Leamington MP to the DCMS he states that it's the National League who infer that the cost of Furloughing will exceed the cost of Loans or grants.

 https://www.hungerfordtown.com/news/chairmans-statement-2596189.html

That said I'm not sure how this would be true. Furloughing only gives you 80% of what you actually would pay staff/players - it would not even begin to cover other costs/lost revenues which the initial grants were supposed to take into account.

[Reading Rebel]

5 minutes ago, rebelbrewer said:

That said I'm not sure how this would be true. Furloughing only gives you 80% of what you actually would pay staff/players - it would not even begin to cover other costs/lost revenues which the initial grants were supposed to take into account.

As far as I'm aware the grants were only to cover lost gate receipts not food/drinks and other sundry items.

[rebelbrewer]

1 minute ago, Reading Rebel said:

As far as I'm aware the grants were only to cover lost gate receipts not food/drinks and other sundry items.

Exactly - so if you assume that gate receipts have to cover staff and some of the other costs of putting on a game then furloughing unlikely to cost more than that.

[Sir Rebel1965]

Forget the money - think about the lives!

If you are thinking about the money, then you have your priorities badly wrong - this is non-league football.

[Irishadrian]

Matt Lench on the Wealdstone bench again today  He played the final 12 minutes as Wealdstone lost 3-4 to Aldershot.

[Curtis]

1 hour ago, Neil Baker said:

As I mentioned RR there has been no proof on those numbers other than people bandying them about

 

I agree with you, for a National League Premier club to claim £90,000 a month in furlough they would need to claim the full £2,500 for 36 people each earning the equivalent of more than £37,500 per annum.

So, it would only be true for clubs with monthly wage bills in excess of £1.35 million per annum. There may be a few in the National League Premier doing this, but I’m pretty sure that is much higher than the average National Premier League club.

 

[Sir Rebel1965]

1 hour ago, Curtis said:

Have you any idea how many people without pre-existing health conditions (i.e. heart conditions, lung conditions, diabetes) under the age of 45 have died of COVID in the UK?
 

Have there been reports of any football players in the UK dying of COVID?

Curtis, it is not the players, it if their families, who they take the virus home to - their mother and fathers etc.!

 

What about Mark Nisbet who has a heart condition?

 

Also most of the volunteers at the club are 50+ what about them? 

 

I think you need to consider very hard about what you said in your post and how you have portrayed yourself!

[Reading Rebel]

3 hours ago, Sir Rebel1965 said:

Forget the money - think about the lives!

If you are thinking about the money, then you have your priorities badly wrong - this is non-league football.

Clive, you should have a word with the Dorking Manager/owner.

In his view Covid is a side issue and has no relevance to the current situation, it's all about the money.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Reading Rebel

[bonjour]

Curtis, I read your comments regarding the number of people under the age of 45 who tragically died due to covid. I personally don't know the figures but even if it was zero it would be the thought of passing on the virus to family and friends who are in the vulnerable group.

 

I totally agree with Sir Rebel1965 that you need to think long and hard about your posting.

 

Why do you think that Neil has stepped away from football, it's to protect his family.

I have a 94 year old father who I have been protecting since the outbreak started just like loads of people.

 

I find it unbelievable that you could even think of making a posting like that. To say I am furious is an understatement.

 

I have made my point and I won't be replying.

 

Here's hoping the day when we can all get back together again to cheer on the rebels and that my father can once again see the team he loves.

 

 

 

[Reading Rebel]

Dorking played a friendly match today against AFC Wimbledon under 23's winning 2-0 and on Tuesday they have a friendly lined up against Ebbsfleet.