Horley v Mole Valley anyone?

[Carthorse]

Carthorse

 

Just to clarify, the game was postponed originally as the lights at Cobham failed and have continued to for the rest of the season. We did ask to Horley to rearrange so we could attend the Funeral of our Skippers Father, but Horley refused.

 

Please get the facts right.

 

Many Thanks

If Horley refused sorry I am only a supporter how come the game was not played? 

[BAD GUY]

Apologies to all at the Leg of Mutton for getting the venue wrong.I am sure Anthony and Darren will get their tactics right on the day.They have the choice between playing 42 League Games or 28 League games next season as things stand.I think there will be a love in between both sets of supporters as well on the day,cheering each other on.Alas Surrey F.A. will lose out,I predict No Bookings in this tense finale,more of a love in

Darren, I have heard that there is a new or will be a new manager at Mole Valley...I wonder if this is Chinese Whispers as usual or infact true... 

[Johnson3]

Rumour has it that Philip Page is coming back to play for Mole Valley in such an important game. This is a scandal. He was the top scorer for Farnborough Fc and not fair on Horley that he has come back.

 

Is there a why he can be stopped from playing?? Is he even registered??

[Smudge]

Rumour has it that Philip Page is coming back to play for Mole Valley in such an important game. This is a scandal. He was the top scorer for Farnborough Fc and not fair on Horley that he has come back.

 

Is there a why he can be stopped from playing?? Is he even registered??

 

I really love these 1st time posters,always stirring the Sh*t,and asking Nice guy questions,2 in one night must be a record.

[Chris Clapham]

There will be a winner and Ash will stay up!

Hope the game has a good ref!

[E&E Rich]

 How about this one. All the people of Ash go to the bookies and bet on a 0-0 result. When the result comes in both Horley and Mole Valley lose points for match fixing

 

It could be said that Ash have worked a little harder in fulfilling all their fixtures on time (26th April) and I'm sure they were not the only ones to do it. How about if teams don't finish their fixtures by the allotted date then they lose points. This may make the teams with poor pitches and lighting get their acts together.

 

At the end of the day if Ash were playing their last game on Saturday it would have come down to the same thing in that they would have known that a final victory would count for nothing if the Horley v Mole Valley ended in a draw

Not a major fan of the losing points situation. Especially when applied right at the end of a season in a case like you have suggested.

 

I have previously suggested some sort of list of postponements, and when a club reaches a certain number of these (excluding wipe out days where everyone is off) they could be deducted a point but that is then open to the referee's interpretation. It might encourage clubs to spend some money on the pitch instead of the players but the only way to fairly solve this is with my suggestion above.

[Lazy Sod]

How about this to deal with postponements.

 

1. In the event of a waterlogged pitch, the away team is awarded three points and a 2-0 win

2. In the event of floodlight failure, regardless of the score at the time, award the away team three points and a 2-0 win

3. In the event of a game being called off as a team is not available, award the other side three points and a 2-0 win

 

Games called off or abandoned owing to fog, frost or possibly snow (depending on the amount that has accumulated) to be replayed

In the event games are postponed within 1 hour of the scheduled kick off, match officials do not receive any expenses

 

E&E Rich's point of games to be played if the season has to be extended is excellent. Move the entire last Saturday set of fixtures by one week and everyone plays their last game at the same time.

[Smudge]

Rich what a ludicrous statement,Clubs may spend more on the pitch instead of players.You do both or am I DREAMING

[Smudge]

How about this to deal with postponements.

 

1. In the event of a waterlogged pitch, the away team is awarded three points and a 2-0 win

2. In the event of floodlight failure, regardless of the score at the time, award the away team three points and a 2-0 win

3. In the event of a game being called off as a team is not available, award the other side three points and a 2-0 win

 

Games called off or abandoned owing to fog, frost or possibly snow (depending on the amount that has accumulated) to be replayed

In the event games are postponed within 1 hour of the scheduled kick off, match officials do not receive any expenses

 

E&E Rich's point of games to be played if the season has to be extended is excellent. Move the entire last Saturday set of fixtures by one week and everyone plays their last game at the same time.

 

So says a Windsor Fan,who just happen to have the best pitch in the League,all funded many moons ago by the previous Bankrupt entity,JOG ON.

[Lazy Sod]

So says a Windsor Fan,who just happen to have the best pitch in the League,all funded many moons ago by the previous Bankrupt entity,JOG ON.

 

What you fail to acknowledge is that a huge amount of work is carried out on the pitch throughout the year and it is looking brilliant even after the last two winters that have been experienced. 

[Smudge]

Why do pitches flood though poor drainage not being in place,presume you have replaced yours in recent times,Not cheap!!!Did you not have a problem with your lights,a couple of seasons ago,anything electrical is bound to fail in its lifetime.Lets be honest though,this situation would not of arisen,if the League had been on the Ball,as I said a week ago the number 1 item at the AGM,should be all teams games should be finished on the same day.Every other League did.

[Krooner]

You sure every other league did Smudge ?

[E&E Rich]

Rich what a ludicrous statement,Clubs may spend more on the pitch instead of players.You do both or am I DREAMING

I thought I made it clear that this was something I suggested in the past.

 

I'd love to see the green bit included, or if it is, then at least given a higher priority by the F.A. who are more concerned with forcing clubs to have lights and stands they don't need.

 

However, until it does, nothing will change and we'll all waste hours on futile discussion and conspiracies. Smudge will love it

[E&E Rich]

How about this to deal with postponements.

 

1. In the event of a waterlogged pitch, the away team is awarded three points and a 2-0 win

2. In the event of floodlight failure, regardless of the score at the time, award the away team three points and a 2-0 win

3. In the event of a game being called off as a team is not available, award the other side three points and a 2-0 win

 

Games called off or abandoned owing to fog, frost or possibly snow (depending on the amount that has accumulated) to be replayed

In the event games are postponed within 1 hour of the scheduled kick off, match officials do not receive any expenses

 

E&E Rich's point of games to be played if the season has to be extended is excellent. Move the entire last Saturday set of fixtures by one week and everyone plays their last game at the same time.

Thanks for the endorsement LS. It may be that the CCL cannot do this arbitrarily, (although I think they could) but if not, it should be suggested for the F.A. to recommend to all leagues, at least from Step Five up, although it's been a while now since a Step Four or above League had an extension..

 

Unfortunately I don't agree with your first two suggestions because:

 

a) you sometimes get weeks that are completely written off, so in those cases you'd need a whole new rule book to determine whether the conditions were good enough or not, which would be impossible to enforce. Likewise if the entire power grid goes down in the local area or where some chap has been messing around with a spanner because his team was 4-0 down. Impossible to prove in almost every case.

b ) the whole can of worms being opened up will just fuel appeals all season long. Games have to be won on the pitch wherever possible.

 

Your third suggestion is not a million miles away from what happens as Badshot Lea will confirm after they failed to show at Horley last year, but these sort of things go to Management Committee for a very good reason; many cases are different. You have some fairly open and shut cases where a team is really struggling and don't bother, and other cases where the M25 was completely closed due to an accident just 50 yards ahead of the entire travelling team who are then stuck on the motorway for hours. Almost every other circumstance fits somewhere between those two and it's dangerous to have a blanket rule.

 

I'll leave the match expenses bit for one of our referees to explain exactly what they get in those cases and why they should still get it.

Edited May 1, 2014 by E&E Rich

[eye1]

Not sure what point everyone is trying to make here, if Ash also had to play there last game on the same day as Mole Valley v Horley Town it would not have made any difference, most seasons all teams play their last game on the same day but due to the adverse weather we have had this year plus any technical problems some teams have had to endure it leaves the league with no choice but to sometimes have staggered ends to the season for some teams, where possible they try to avoid it, but sometimes it will happen at this level.

[VPCTFC]

I'd love to see the green bit included, or if it is, then at least given a higher priority by the F.A. who are more concerned with forcing clubs to have lights and stands they don't need.

 

How do you grade a pitch and when do you do it?

3G pitches have to be tested yearly to be allowed above step 7. If you employed the same tests on grass pitches I guarantee almost every single pitch would pass so what's the point?

if you're basing it on postponements then that's down to referees. We all know they're soft as anything these days and scared of a bit of mud so why should a club's fortunes be in their hands?

 

You can't penalise clubs who happen to play in clay-based areas, you can't penalise clubs who happen to be in an area where there are high ground-water levels, whether that's all the time or for just a few months as we've had in Surrey recently. Or are we expecting clubs to pay out six figure sums to make sure waterlogging can only happen in very extreme cases? Perhaps Dorking can move their ground to the top of Box Hill rather than being at the bottom of it.

Plenty of clubs at our level around the country are struggling enough as it is and people want to punish them further. Madness. I think the Premier League has affected people's judgement of non-league football.

Edited May 1, 2014 by VPCTFC

[2ndtouchatackle]

Will all games be on this Sat after the rain we have had this week? What happens if any are called off?

[Big J R]

Will all games be on this Sat after the rain we have had this week? What happens if any are called off?

 

 

Can I use my "Phone a Friend", or "Ask the Audience"  ?

[E&E Rich]

I disagree VP.

 

I'm not saying you can change the world here, but there could easily be some sort of rule in place that says if a club has greater than a certain number of postponements then their pitch fails.

 

I appreciate that the "certain number" could vary from year to year dependent on how the weather has been, but if we just ignore the situation then we will continue to build bigger and better grounds so we can all sit comfortably but have nothing to watch because the game has been called off again.

 

Just sticking our head in the sand and hoping the problem will go away will not work either.

 

Eye, no idea what you are talking about. If all clubs were on 41 and all played on the last day, there would be no chance that Horley and MV could consider playing for a draw. There is the chance that Ash could be on 38 in which case a draw for the other two could still relegate Ash, but to see a team actually sitting above the other two, and with the season out of their hands is wrong and if something can be done to change it, then it should be considered at least, especially when the change is so easy to implement.

 

I really wish some people wouldn't be so negative here. "We can't change it" "It's always been this way" "It probably won't work". Start thinking outside the box a bit, you might find something that works, but if you don't look you'll never see.

Edited May 2, 2014 by E&E Rich

[Smudge]

Be a no brainer if Mole Valley and Horley do not draw,only 3 ways can either be relegated now surely.Make sure Correctly registered players take part,and no suspended players play.Be nice to the Ref and linesman all game,so that their is no way he can abandon it,that includes the Benches.Think I will attend this,as it is sure to be a cracker.