Jeff Hamnett TSF Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 thought id appoint myself as the forum police and set up a new thread as groundshare is taking over some other threads! There are a few clubs groundsharing in ccl and for a variety of reasons. E+E ed is a regular contributor so we could look at Epsom as an example. E+E FC had a ground and have now groundshared for 20 seasons or so. Epsom Athetic FC never had a senior ground as far as I know, and now groundshare to play senior football. As I said on another thread, its triggers broom syndrome.He changed the head and handle 20 times but it was still the original broom to him. If you change the ground , the players , the managers, the volunteers, the supporters, at what point is the club no longer the original club? What makes a club, a club? The badge, the name, the history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncs Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Good post mate,I do have sympathy wiv these clubs but i think they are all being led a merry dance,sooner or later this rule will change and then where will they all be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Hamnett TSF Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 Senior football by local authority : Mole valley DC. three or four grounds, (Meadowbank unavailable, not sure on River Lane @ Leatherhead/Fetcham), three clubs. Epsom and Ewell BC, no grounds, two clubs anyone fancy doing their local authority?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 A very good thread, Jeff. And we all know that whatever the outcome of DFC's problems might be, Meadowbank will NOT be fit for purpose by the start of the 2014/2015 season. If DFC does survive, it will only be on a groundsharing basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncs Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Why go down that route JR, why not try and start again in a lower league and work your way through the leagues, i'm sure if done that way even your council will be more sympathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Know Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I know there is always a massive amount of negativity throughout the CCL about groundsharing but I should be in a position to announce Badshot Lea's situation and plans for a permanent home before the end of April.Watch this space..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevoiceofreason Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 As soon as teams are ground sharing, either on an owner/tenant or shared use of council amenity, it is a problem waiting to happen. There is nothing to stop a league making sole use of a ground/ agreement to do so within twelve months a condition of entry...they make the rules, after all, Making sure it admits members who will be of benefit to the league is the league's job and that should include financial health checks and facility grading at all levels. If you don't have facilities for the league ABOVE the one you want to compete in, you shouldn't compete in it...saves all the nonsense at the end of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Why go down that route JR, why not try and start again in a lower league and work your way through the leagues, i'm sure if done that way even your council will be more sympathetic That's all now in the hands of the owners of the plc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncs Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I know there is always a massive amount of negativity throughout the CCL about groundsharing but I should be in a position to announce Badshot Lea's situation and plans for a permanent home before the end of April.Watch this space..... I thought you already had a ground but you didn't have the facilities to compete at this level,i wonder how much money your club has wasted over the years in groundsharing and just how good your own ground could of been by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Fingers Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 As soon as teams are ground sharing, either on an owner/tenant or shared use of council amenity, it is a problem waiting to happen. There is nothing to stop a league making sole use of a ground/ agreement to do so within twelve months a condition of entry...they make the rules, after all, Making sure it admits members who will be of benefit to the league is the league's job and that should include financial health checks and facility grading at all levels. If you don't have facilities for the league ABOVE the one you want to compete in, you shouldn't compete in it...saves all the nonsense at the end of a season. Leagues don't make rules VOR - they all follow a standard code of rules imposed on them by the FA. Even if a League wanted to introduce their "own" rules, such changes would be subject to final approval / ratification by the FA. In addition, Leagues have no control over Clubs that the FA impose on them - if the FA direct that Dog & Duck Rovers play in the CCL, then that is where they will play, subject to their ground meeting the required FA standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevoiceofreason Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 ...which is how you end up with mickey mouse clubs in supposedly 'senior' leagues with no facilities or financial stability. ( Can't see how your ground can meet ANY standard if it's someone else's, never have and never will.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncs Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I find myself strangely agreeing with VOR (thats twice)again,it is not unreasonable for a football club to be expected to have its own ground/stadium and if that ground/stadium does not meet the requirements of the league you want to be in then it has to be a no, or maybe a groundshare for 1 season max untill your ground has its facilities upgraded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevoiceofreason Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 One season max, in principle, seems reasonable... provided evidence is shown that the required work is in progress, properly financed and ready for inspection BEFORE promotion and relegation spots are filled. It would need to be enforced with demotions too, rather than "the dog ate my homework" style excuses being meekly accepted, in the face of non- compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudge Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 4 Months have now passed since Meadowbank was closed due to Health and Safety issues.Not 1 peep out of the Chairman as to what is going on.The supporters are in the dark,the Manager is out on a limb trying to keep the Club together,with the goodwill of a few CCL Clubs helping out.I fear the worst for Dorking F.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncs Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 no need to fear the worst mate it might be a god send for Dorking,things have not been going well for them on and off the pitch so this might be a chance to rebuild and come back fighting,have i upset you InThe Know cos you didn't answer my post mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copa mundial Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Aernt Badshot Lea moving to the the former ground of Farnham rugby club ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncs Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Aernt Badshot Lea moving to the the former ground of Farnham rugby club ? not sure I think ITK said there was an issue with the trees or ground contamination or did i dream that one up,i'm sure Mark will let us know he is a lovely lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Know Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Sorry for the delay Duncs. We have been groundsharing because we have never had a facility that could be developed to the correct level ie enclosed ground, lights, stands etc. Agreed it has cost us a lot of money but as an ambitious club that we clearly are, we have pushed on. In terms of the new ground, the local council want us to take over the old Farnham Rugby Club site and develop it. We have struggled, as you know with additional tree and transport surveys but I am pleased to confirm they are now all complete and we have somehow managed to find the additional money to pay for them. In the next few days we are just finishing off pulling the application together and we will then 're-submit our full planning application. Exciting times and quite how we have survived without an income stream amazes me. The hard work begins now. As soon as I have more news and links to the application etc , I will post on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E&E Rich Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I fully understand the logic and arguments here against ground sharing. I even agree with some of them myself. However, it is all irrelevant because the rules won't change, certainly not in the near future. An interesting comment from BJR about Meadowbank not being ready for next season. I don't believe that I have seen anyone confirm exactly why the ground was closed and what exactly was so wrong with it. Of course it's a bit shabby, but to hear BJR's comment tells me it's far far more than a lick of paint that is required. Could anyone clarify further on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Hamnett TSF Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Strictly speaking, the ground isnt closed as such. The local charity cup final was played down there for example with the ground as is. What we cant do is play senior football there because the changing rooms are unavailable under health and safety restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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