HONESTY!!!!!

[Smudge]

It makes  me laugh about some of the drivel posted on this very forum,most of you are only in for your own Egos,and the loyalty to your own Clubs.ThE  HIGHLIGHT OF MY DAY.Was speaking and have a drink with Tony Jeffercoate ,a Man who a lot of you so called Cyber Warriors,could take a leaf out of his book.Pleasant,Ameanable And Courteous even though the dice have not dealt him a great hand of late,a TRUE GENTLEMAN,I WISH YOU WELL TONY,YOU ARE A TRUE NON LEAGUE GENTLEMAN.Next up Dammi Banderas,not been promoted from Step 4,a total disgrace,alongside Deli Sotormirin the best REF in CCL I have ever seen,could be assesors marks,who could not in my opinion lace his boots,or maybe the thickos who mark him at Club level.if you do this because,he made a decision against your Club,you are utter Muppets,this man deserves to go higher.To be honest I could not give a damn who beats who,but to my good friends at SOUTH PARK ,IF bedfont sports need 3 pts at the end of the season,I am sure you could oblige,to help a true friend out.Not that bEDFONT sPORTS NEED IT .AS AT PRESENT THEY HAVE MY FULL BACKING,1 LOSS IN 10 when I HAVE BEEN IN ATTENDANCE,Bring on IN THE knows Badshot thrashed by the mighty Ash,4-0 no contest,LOSERS

 

I AM BORED  BY BEING KNOWN AS SMUDGE,so those who have never met me please call me PETER,an old codger,,going on 80 according the Windsorsites who never reval themselves at a game,now called THE FACELESS ONES,as far as I am concerned.To my true friends,yes it is a late post,pissed as you would expect,but Truthful as ever SMUDGE.

[duncs]

Couldn't agree more mate and i don't drink,I am giving up supporting Ash as of now after 40 years, I don't like what is happening down there so its best for me to go elsewhere,they will be pleased that now they can just get on with losing and nobody will question their wisdom,AUPostie is to good for them and a truly great lad to him i wish all the best to the others nothing.

[In The Know]

Look forward to seeing you on Tuesday Pete, the Old Codger...... As you haven't seen us for a while , you won't recognise our side as we only have one player who started the season. Also apologise in advance of the game Pete as 8 of our squad are 18 years old or younger!!!

 

Agreed on one thing though, Tony Jeffcoate top guy and a real gentleman.....

[Lazy Sod]

I don't recall you making yourself known at the Windsor v Bedfont Sports fixture last weekend. All I saw and heard was a stupid old man hurling abuse without any foundation whatsoever at all and sundry. If that was you then I am so grateful I did not have the "pleasure" of actually speaking to you in person. I may have spoken to you in the clubhouse before the game. Maybe I didn't. Either way, I don't care what you say or think as you are an irrelevance with absolutely nothing to offer other than criticism and vitriol. I hope you have a happy life.

[Stan The Man]

So amongst all the drivel, the point that interests me the most is that you think SP will lose on purpose if they've won the league to help Bedfont stay up, because you're a true friend!

 

Very interesting comments, I'm sure all the teams at the bottom will watch this fixture very closely

 

 

quote name="Smudge" post="1939553" timestamp="1396143009"]It makes  me laugh about some of the drivel posted on this very forum,most of you are only in for your own Egos,and the loyalty to your own Clubs.ThE  HIGHLIGHT OF MY DAY.Was speaking and have a drink with Tony Jeffercoate ,a Man who a lot of you so called Cyber Warriors,could take a leaf out of his book.Pleasant,Ameanable And Courteous even though the dice have not dealt him a great hand of late,a TRUE GENTLEMAN,I WISH YOU WELL TONY,YOU ARE A TRUE NON LEAGUE GENTLEMAN.Next up Dammi Banderas,not been promoted from Step 4,a total disgrace,alongside Deli Sotormirin the best REF in CCL I have ever seen,could be assesors marks,who could not in my opinion lace his boots,or maybe the thickos who mark him at Club level.if you do this because,he made a decision against your Club,you are utter Muppets,this man deserves to go higher.To be honest I could not give a damn who beats who,but to my good friends at SOUTH PARK ,IF bedfont sports need 3 pts at the end of the season,I am sure you could oblige,to help a true friend out.Not that bEDFONT sPORTS NEED IT .AS AT PRESENT THEY HAVE MY FULL BACKING,1 LOSS IN 10 when I HAVE BEEN IN ATTENDANCE,Bring on IN THE knows Badshot thrashed by the mighty Ash,4-0 no contest,LOSERS

 

I AM BORED  BY BEING KNOWN AS SMUDGE,so those who have never met me please call me PETER,an old codger,,going on 80 according the Windsorsites who never reval themselves at a game,now called THE FACELESS ONES,as far as I am concerned.To my true friends,yes it is a late post,pissed as you would expect,but Truthful as ever SMUDGE.

[Scouse25]

What a twat you are Stanley

Edited March 30, 2014 by Scouse25

[newby marvel]

more pointless drivel

 

terry not been asked to leave yet because of his discipline...............who will be flavour of the season next then.

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

I quite liked "dice not dealing a good hand" myself...

[Smudge]

Your guess is as good as mine Sean,think I might get behind Lammas,they certainly need it.As for drivel lets dissect the post.

 

1.Tony Jeffercoate,is ONE of the Nicest people you could ever meet.

 

2.Assessors do hold Referees back from promotion.

 

3.Clubs do mark Refs down,if they lose to a decision, they did not agree with.HUMAN NATURE.

 

4.I do have good friends at South Park,as I do at many other CCL Clubs.

 

5.Bedfont Sports have only lost 1 game in 10 when I have been in attendance,3-0 at Camberley.

 

Then lets dissect Lazy Sods post,a faceless individual,who does not know if he met me or did not,but slates me never the less.Hang on is that not a picture of me in the left hand corner of this very post.The funny thing is he posts on another thread,how good the Ref was at the Windsor v Cove game,but not a dicky bird about the awful Ref in charge of the game the week before,HYPOCRITE.

 

Finally,Sean it must be breaking the Hearts of the Ex Bedfont Sports boys,now at Lammas.Seeing a team that was left with 12 points,when you all left,bit by bit getting out of THE MIRE.Whilst Lammas have gone in the other direction.The difference being unity in one team,16 lads who want to play for their shirt,under an excellent Manager.The other a disjointed group of mates.

[Gluck_ab]

Smudge

 

On point 2 of your last post, the only thing holding a referee back from promotion is the actual referee him / herself be that for personal or professional reasons as well as, obviously, ability as a referee. Assessors work to a national system and at Supply League level, if I recall correctly, L4 referees have to do a minimum of 10 games (middles) per season of which at least 50% must be assessed. On that basis, all things being equal, promotion will be the result of consistent performances over the course of the marking season (01 March - 28 February). If someone is consistently good that will be recognised by assessors and, hopefully, by the clubs too when they award club marks. The competencies that referees are assessed against are published and available to all, and there are regular FA training seminars at L4, L3 and above at which these are other pertinent issues are discussed. In short, referees are aware of what criteria they're being assessed against and how they may improve their potential mark by addressing / meeting these in a game.

 

The assessor and club marks, graded in bandings A down to E, are considered by the FA when considering promotion candidates. In addition, the numbers required at the next level up will impact on the number taken from the level below. In that respect, if fewer L3s (middles in Contributory Leagues) are promoted to Level 2B (middles at Conference South and North), fewer leave refereeing or are demoted, then the numbers required to replace them will be less and so some good referees may miss out if the quality level / threshold in a particular season is high. For instance, last season only three Surrey FA referees were promoted to L3 (two of whom were from the CCL, the other from the Suburban League). Note that new L4s and L3s get their first season at these levels as a 'free' one from demotion in order that they can adjust to the demands of the new level.

 

The FA has instigated a system at L3 level whereby promotion and demotion is more fluid in that the bottom 30 in the annual Merit table of (approximately 430) referees will automatically be demoted to L4, and if a L3 doesn't finish in the top 40% of the table in at least one of three consecutive season, he / she will be demoted. As is made very clear by David Elleray and Neale Barry at the new L3 seminar each summer, the demands and expectations from clubs and the FA at this level are significantly higher and the promotion system is designed to select referees with the potential to meet them.

 

On point 3, that may well be the case but the Surrey referees I refer to in this email all finished with A bandings from clubs (and A bandings from assessors) at the end of the marking season. That would infer some objectivity in the marking of referees by clubs (for which guidance is provided including that individual decisions against their own team are balanced against the overall performance). However, referees do not see their club marks so that is something I think we'll have to consider unproven but it would suggest that they too (the clubs) recognise good (i.e. consistent) performances when they see them.

 

Depending on the number of referees required at L3, it would not therefore be unreasonable to suggest that a L4 referee with A and A bandings for assessor and club marks respectively (the former being given more 'weight') might well be in the frame for promotion to the next level. The next time you speak to a L4 referee ask him his banding position as he will receive notice of that as at 31 October (mid season), 31 December and 28 February (end of season), and should be able to give you an answer to that from which you can draw your own conclusions!

[copa mundial]

Smudge

 

On point 2 of your last post, the only thing holding a referee back from promotion is the actual referee him / herself be that for personal or professional reasons as well as, obviously, ability as a referee. Assessors work to a national system and at Supply League level, if I recall correctly, L4 referees have to do a minimum of 10 games (middles) per season of which at least 50% must be assessed. On that basis, all things being equal, promotion will be the result of consistent performances over the course of the marking season (01 March - 28 February). If someone is consistently good that will be recognised by assessors and, hopefully, by the clubs too when they award club marks. The competencies that referees are assessed against are published and available to all, and there are regular FA training seminars at L4, L3 and above at which these are other pertinent issues are discussed. In short, referees are aware of what criteria they're being assessed against and how they may improve their potential mark by addressing / meeting these in a game.

 

The assessor and club marks, graded in bandings A down to E, are considered by the FA when considering promotion candidates. In addition, the numbers required at the next level up will impact on the number taken from the level below. In that respect, if fewer L3s (middles in Contributory Leagues) are promoted to Level 2B (middles at Conference South and North), fewer leave refereeing or are demoted, then the numbers required to replace them will be less and so some good referees may miss out if the quality level / threshold in a particular season is high. For instance, last season only three Surrey FA referees were promoted to L3 (two of whom were from the CCL, the other from the Suburban League). Note that new L4s and L3s get their first season at these levels as a 'free' one from demotion in order that they can adjust to the demands of the new level.

 

The FA has instigated a system at L3 level whereby promotion and demotion is more fluid in that the bottom 30 in the annual Merit table of (approximately 430) referees will automatically be demoted to L4, and if a L3 doesn't finish in the top 40% of the table in at least one of three consecutive season, he / she will be demoted. As is made very clear by David Elleray and Neale Barry at the new L3 seminar each summer, the demands and expectations from clubs and the FA at this level are significantly higher and the promotion system is designed to select referees with the potential to meet them.

 

On point 3, that may well be the case but the Surrey referees I refer to in this email all finished with A bandings from clubs (and A bandings from assessors) at the end of the marking season. That would infer some objectivity in the marking of referees by clubs (for which guidance is provided including that individual decisions against their own team are balanced against the overall performance). However, referees do not see their club marks so that is something I think we'll have to consider unproven but it would suggest that they too (the clubs) recognise good (i.e. consistent) performances when they see them.

 

Depending on the number of referees required at L3, it would not therefore be unreasonable to suggest that a L4 referee with A and A bandings for assessor and club marks respectively (the former being given more 'weight') might well be in the frame for promotion to the next level. The next time you speak to a L4 referee ask him his banding position as he will receive notice of that as at 31 October (mid season), 31 December and 28 February (end of season), and should be able to give you an answer to that from which you can draw your own conclusions!

Excellent informative and professional post, thank you....

 

Makes a lot more sense than the drunken nonsense that started this thread.

[Smudge]

GluckAB, thanks for that reply, very informative,so if a Referee at Level 4 is not given 10 middles at Step 5 level,of which 5 have to assessed,he cannot gain promotion.Do running lines at Ryman level count,I presume not,but middles at Suburban level do,I presume.Have you used the services of Dammi Banderas can I ask,the best Ref at this level by a mile.So in hindsight Refs have as much chance of promotion up the ladder,as is the same with Club promotion from a lower level,a bottle neck appears.

[Smudge]

Excellent informative and professional post, thank you....

 

Makes a lot more sense than the drunken nonsense that started this thread.

 

Ask your self this question Copa Mondial,if the drunken post had not appeared.You would not have had Gluckab's excellent response,so thanks are accepted,even in a roundabout fashion.

[Rother]

Faceless Windsorites...

 

Next time you're coming down to Stag Meadow post it up in advance and I'll tell you where I'll be at 2.30 so you can come and seek me out.

[Gluck_ab]

It's not so much a case of being given 10 games but ensuring that a referee is available often enough to be given the requisite number of games, i.e. if you're unavailable for whatever reason for a period of time that may affect the number of games you could receive over the marking season. The act of balancing demands from the FA for L4s to do Contributory League (CL) lines (for which it has first call) with giving L4s in any supply league sufficient games to referee is a delicate one which is why sometimes you will see a referee receiving more appointments than another in a particular month in order to meet their minimum requirement. CL lines do not count for this purpose and also don't count towards promotion purposes from L4 to L3. As an L4 referee you are likely to have fewer middles and more lines whereas, conversely, at L3 you will have more middles and fewer lines, the reason for this being the higher number of CL clubs and the lower number of Conference (South / North) teams respectively.

 

The introduction by the FA of the system I referred to for L3s was done with the aim of recognising performance at that and L4 level and improving movement between the two to recognise (reward) good performance and address poorer performance.

 

I'm not in a position to speak about individual referees and it would be inappropriate for me to offer an opinion of one over another.

[Mewcenary]

A quick note that running middles at Suburban no longer counts towards a referee's 10 games: The Suburban league lost its supply league status for this season.  All Level 4s on that league were transferred elsewhere: Typically CCFL or Hellenic.

[Smudge]

Faceless Windsorites...

 

Next time you're coming down to Stag Meadow post it up in advance and I'll tell you where I'll be at 2.30 so you can come and seek me out.

 

Thanks for that  very kind invite Rother,I will put it in my very busy diary.However I did announce on this Forum,that I was attending the Windsor v Bedfont Sports game,were you on Holiday by any chance.As for seeking you out,that is not my style,although my dear departed Dad,always told me NEVER SPEAK TO STRANGERS,good advice I am sure you would agree.

[newby marvel]

now ill laugh at that post peter. again complete drivel just because youve talked to me doesnt mean you know me. why would i be bitter? i was one of a great team who got the sports promoted if they get relegated it un does our hard work from when i joined them. ive stated this many times as much as id still like to be at sports things change i believe if the team that left was still there we wouldnt be struggling for relegation if we were all getting paid!!

i still as many of the other players are that left still disappointedv about the situation when it happened but it happened we moved on an continue to play football as we do as an enjoyment. lammas are in a cup final an another semi final how is that going in another direction when there are barring spelly 5/6 teams who could go up. call us unlucky maybe but when you have so many injuries it doesnt help at this stage of the season.

peter refrain from posting about my thoughts you dont know me an never will and your so far from the mark is why i laugh at your drivel. i was only talking to an ex bedfont player yesterday saying how gutted we all were but theres two sides to every story as in every case.

Edited March 31, 2014 by newby marvel

[newby marvel]

i do actually recall you always saying how youd rather have a team of mates like bedfont, like vila an south park oh did you forget that peter.

 

 

i think you should look at the bold word in an earlier post

Edited March 31, 2014 by newby marvel

[Smudge]

Sean, you are right I do not know you that well,having only met you 3 times,but my first impression was of someone who was loyal,committed,generous,a leader of Men,none more so when the Fans Focus Team visited Bedfont Sports for a Charity game,when you single handedly got all your Players to donate to the cause,generously I MAY ADD.Every one present had your respect,including my goodself.A SAD DAY for SPORTS when you left.