CCL "weaker" than the Kent League?

[Smudge]

The VAT is an interesting issue.

 

When we were with Merstham, we argued (successfully) that VAT wasn't payable. I forget the exact reason, but our Treasurer works in the taxation area and as far as I am aware, we are not paying VAT to Chipstead either, although I'm not party to the latest agreement so don't know the figures at this point.

 

As for discounts and bargaining, our people don't do that sort of thing, Smudge. We just went with the better of the quotes we were provided with. However, in our club's defence it is very much a seller's market as we can't just say that we'll go elsewhere. Few clubs offer ground shares as it affects things like a club's Reserves or Youth teams and each club has to factor in which is the more worthwhile, especially if your Youth team is well supported by parents, who may get involved on a regular basis or book socials at a club, sponsorship etc. We'd love to share at Corinthian Casuals which is less than half a mile from our Borough, and with better rail links, but in the past they've declined our approach. Hopefully, we'll keep trying, even though we have confirmed 2014/15 at Chipstead.

 

As for Duncs' comments about a deadline, I understand where you are coming from logically, but you are using a football argument in an increasingly business-centric world, and you cannot stop a club from earning money from a ground share. It is a restraint of trade which is not something even the Ryman League were able to defend back when we were at Merstham and Badshot Lea were at Godalming. ITK would be able to enlighten us further on this I believe.

 

In fact, you could also make the case that the revenue from such an arrangement actually keeps some other clubs going.

 

Dorking for one Club,their groundshare with Bookham kept them ticking over.Thought that your the threshold for registering for VAT was £79.000,no Club ever takes that,bar Guernsey.Merstham tried to pull a fast one if they wanted VAT.

[Lee Farmie]

That is bunkum of course.  Our turnover was well over £100K last year and we were hardly buzzing over those 12 months.  Clubs without bars like Epsom & Ewell may well not have the revenue to get near the threshold but I find it hard to believe Chipstead and Merstham wouldn't. Obviously a lot of "book cooking" goes on in non league football and then the HMRC catch up with you.

[Smudge]

But you are big Club,unlike many CCL Clubs.

[Lee Farmie]

Ha! Full circle.

 

I remember when we played in Merstham in the Surrey Senior Cup final Leigh saying that compared to Merstham Whyteleafe "MASSIVE".  I just don't see it.

[Green_Fingers]

But you are big Club,unlike many CCL Clubs.

 

A technicality Smudge, but the £79k is the threshold at which you have to be registered. You are able to register at much lower turnover figures (some do to obtain the benefit of being able to claim back VAT on your purchases). Similarly if your turnover was above the threshold but due to recession now isn't, you do not have to de-register.

[Lee Farmie]

Is this becoming an accountancy forum?

[Smudge]

There's many an account on here already,

[Big J R]

There's many an account on here already,

 

 

So very true, Young Smudge !!!