CCL "weaker" than the Kent League?

[SMR]

Just found this about the proposed Beckenham Town CCL move... http://www.surreymirror.co.uk/Whyteleafe-boss-Fowler-Combined-Counties-easier/story-20332046-detail/story.html

[Krooner]

that is exactly what Tunbridge Wells were saying as Hanworth Villa left the other Saturday !

[Lee Farmie]

I think it's a case of the grass is always greener. Personally I disagree with him but there were people at Whyteleafe asking were we in the right league when we bumped E&E out of the FA comps earlier in the season?

 

At least John Fowler has the benefit of having managed teams in both leagues.

Edited December 17, 2013 by Lee Farmie

[Bronco]

Second placed Tunbridge Wells Krooner to be precise! Every step 5 league club thinks their league is the best. People I know from the Hellenic say it. That league is pretty much route one throughout from what I've seen and played against.

[Krooner]

To be honest as with all leagues that operate a "1 up" basis it is bloody tough to get out of any of them.

[Smudge]

I think it's a case of the grass is always greener. Personally I disagree with him but there were people at Whyteleafe asking were we in the right league when we bumped E&E out of the FA comps earlier in the season?

 

At least John Fowler has the benefit of having managed teams in both leagues.

You are in the right League,but a silly comment by John Fowler in my opinion.Any team from any League can beat another on their day.Nice to see the ex Croydon Players doing okay for the Leafe,your old arch enemies Ashford need watching out for though.

[Lee Farmie]

Don't think they've ever been "arch" enemies but yes they and Tunbridge look like being the main obstacles. Ashford have yet to be tested in the league - they've only played one side the current top six and that was the match they lost. That said, they can't be bad having dropped just three points all season.

[duncs]

slightly off topic but wouldn't this be a good time to do away with groundsharing ?

[Lee Farmie]

Why would we want to do away with groundsharing? 

 

Too many clubs at Step 5? combine the CCL, the SCEFL and the Sussex into 2 by jettisoning all the groundless clubs?

[Smudge]

Only 2 promotion places then.Plus a decrease in revenue for host Clubs.This level of Football is dying on its feet,as it is.

[nosher]

Don't really get the fury over the remarks. Marky Mark is not going to say the Kent League is weaker; inevitable questions about why he left the CCL in that case plus it's a boost to his team to hear how well they're doing in such a "tough" division.

 

The Surrey Mirror ask Whytefeafe's gaffer for a comment on another club's decision and he uses it as an opportunity to bolster his own PR.

 

Nothing to see here, move along etc.

[Lee Farmie]

He left a CCL club to play for a "bigger club" remember! 

 

I suspect any difference in football standard is negligible but because it's a smaller league you can't afford to lose as many game in the SCEFL. South Park have lost more league matches than Ashford Utd and Whyteleafe combined.

[Krooner]

Don't really get the fury over the remarks. Marky Mark is not going to say the Kent League is weaker; inevitable questions about why he left the CCL in that case plus it's a boost to his team to hear how well they're doing in such a "tough" division.

 

The Surrey Mirror ask Whytefeafe's gaffer for a comment on another club's decision and he uses it as an opportunity to bolster his own PR.

 

Nothing to see here, move along etc.

Fury ?  where ?

 

I see a gentle amount of teasing over them but I wouldn't necessarily say it is fury.  Now i have seen you in a fury a few times nosher

[nosher]

He left a CCL club to play for a "bigger club" remember! 

 

I suspect any difference in football standard is negligible but because it's a smaller league you can't afford to lose as many game in the SCEFL. South Park have lost more league matches than Ashford Utd and Whyteleafe combined.

 

No-one would deny that Whyteleafe are bigger than Croydon and probably bigger than most CCL sides (making them a bit of a freak, really).

 

The fact is, when 'leafe could no longer escape relegation, your club wanted the Kent League as it was perceived to be the easier route back to the Ryman.

 

However, that's getting away from the point. Which is, what did anyone think JF was going to say in response to the question (irrespective of what he believes himself).

 

Kroons - not necessarily talking about 'fury' on here; but I've read plenty elsewhere.

 

Also, nice try at fishing but you must have me mixed up with someone else.

Edited December 18, 2013 by nosher

[duncs]

Why would we want to do away with groundsharing? 

 

Too many clubs at Step 5? combine the CCL, the SCEFL and the Sussex into 2 by jettisoning all the groundless clubs?

The question being asked by clubs with thier own facilities is why choose grounsharing when we have our own facilities,the clubs who groundshare need to start from fresh and build up thier own grounds, most of them have wasted so much money that they could of had some really good grounds by now,this ia a ruling that was meant to help clubs for a season or so untill work or repairs had been carried out on thier existing facilities it is a rule that has been abused for many many years by some clubs. 

[Bronco]

Totally agree with Duncs. The figures bandied about for groundsharing are quite frightening. I'm not against it, but like Duncs I think clubs could have got themselves pretty decent grounds by using the money on their own set ups rather having get to the next level in a hurry. FA rules definitely do not help though!

[E&E Rich]

Hold on a second.

 

Not all clubs "choose" to leave their grounds. Some of us are forced to. We aren't doing work on our "existing facilities", we are trying to get back to the Borough, and the Borough Council are as much use as a chocolate teapot.

 

That's not our fault. You could argue that having to leave in the first place was down to financial mismanagement, and I'd agree, but how long should we be paying a price for errors made in the late seventies that anyone would have done in the same circumstances. It's only with hindsight that it has proven to be a mistake.

 

Aside from that, we have no revenue facility so are at a disadvantage. Are people here seriously saying that we should be kicked still further?

 

If the beef with groundsharing is down to those clubs that "choose" to leave, please make it clearer as there are two types of club in this position.

Edited December 19, 2013 by E&E Rich

[Two Ton Ted]

E & E had planning permission outrageously refused by our lovely council following a hysterical nimby campaign after leaving West Street and frankly the council have shown little or no interest in helping them build a ground back in the borough.

 

However, they blush and simper and show a little too much leg when Fulham or Chelsea ask to use council faciliites for anything.

[danielpjn]

What's the going rate for clubs paying to groundshare at CCL level?

[Big J R]

What's the going rate for clubs paying to groundshare at CCL level?

 

 

The variations are immense, and is only controlled by the asking price and just how much the other club can afford to pay for each match.

 

There isn't even a 'ball-park-figure',  if you'll excuse the pun !

 

I'd rather not elaborate any further than that.