Grays 3-0 Margate

[Chris1]

All down to ill-discipline really. The referee was poor, but how does it help to keep mouthing off at him? So off goes Kinch with a second yellow (yet again) and it was downhill all the way from then.

 

Also in the book for mouth was James Campbell, slagging off the lino for not giving offside. The decision was actually correct as the player did not take part in play, and in any case no advantage was gained. It was just stupid.

 

Unless these managers are able to instil some discipline we have no hope of challenging for the playoffs this season.

 

 

[MaldonBlue(GAFC)]

Have to agree, we had plenty of the ball but not much around your box.......until the sending off. Was a very even game until then and I agree having 10 men cost you.

Having said that it's another three points towards our safety! Good luck for rest of the season.

[BlueBoydie]

Was the ref a bit dodgy again? Early report on the website is a bit ambiguous(!)...

 

http://www.margate-fc.com/content/show_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1379783332&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&

[BlueBoydie]

Could the league fine the club for this report? 200-plus people saw it but "They say that referee's don't influence games, but the man in the middle Michael Smith certainly left his mark" should be a line from a Martin blog, not a match report, or am I being a worrypuss? Journalistic antennae are waggling.

[Chris1]

It was a bad kick in the face, after the ball was saved. A lot of refs would have given a red. But it is up to the referee to deal with it. For our players to get booked (Beales) and take a second booking (Kinch) after the event is just poor discipline. It has handed the game to our opponents on a plate. In fact the offending player, who took a yellow, could not have asked for a better reward.

 

As for the match report on the website, amber and black coloured glasses perhaps, but there's plenty worse on other teams' websites.

 

I agree the ref was rubbish, and I think a sending off would have been justified, but to suggest that not giving a red was the reason Margate lost is not correct.

Edited September 21, 2013 by Chris1

[michael]

Feelings running strong-even reflected in the match report.

 

Not sure about the possible penalty  report suggests we should have had in first half-from where I was could not tell, but did look very close to the edge and coud have gone either way.

 

was on halfway re the incident on Holloway-again, whilst the 'official' match report is very specific-I would be prepared to be a bit more open minded-simply not sure again-but I imagine the report emanates from the way Holloway reported it and he should know.

Another ref on another day would have sent thier player off,but I am simply not sure if it was a right or wrong decision,and if it was deliberate-one would like to think not

 

Tha all given-a bit disingenuous imo to describe Grays as squatters - maybe that will be reflected upon.

 

It was an even game though-and scoreline does flatter Grays, and the decisions did influence the game-i'm simply uncertain as to whether those were right or wrong decisions.

that said-there were plenty of other wrong decisions-not too sure what kinch said-no worse than anyone else-but his first booking was undeserved-it was simply a very good and clean tackle.

that's where the inconsistency and understanble frustration comes in

the ref did lose it a bit though-not sure how many bookings in total-probably about 8.

after the first 15 mins-i expected both teams to end up with 9 left on the pitch.

 

chris is right though-we do have too many who are too vocal-walsh,kinch dolby do need to wash their mouths out -worse thing is, its often directed against their own teammates which does not always impress

 

again-imo it was an even  game-and ironically, thought margate were marginally better side in second half.

 

Overall-a very poor game(don't mind that and sort of expect it at ryman level ) but this was outstandingly poor -even in my eyes-and I have pretty low expectations.

 

In fairness to both sides though-pitch was bumpy, a bit sticky and grass a bit long-but same for both sides-but it would have been difficult for both teams to play on.There will be plenty more pitches like that though-and are margate equipped to play on that type of surface . ?

 

Have to add  ,that Margate never looked like scoring-can't really remember a chance-similar for Grays albeit they did have a couple of decent chances in first half.

 

no-one had a great game-pick of margate were probably beales ,bodkin and in particular cox.

if there was a mom ,would have given it to cox-but he maybe ought to have done a bit better with their first goal ,where on another day he would have cleared the danger.

 

what else did we learn-if holloway is injured-it looks as though beales would go in goal.

Avery was missed-had avery and kinch both been in the team-think we would have had a lot more ooomph in midfield.

 

Only seen him a couple of times but thought as an impact sub-thought Azeez has done really well-but he was a bit of a non event today-again-pitch did not suit him-but that is a typical ryman pitch-so maybe whitely should start with azeez keeping his role as impact sub. that said the more experienced ademeno and walsh have, and will have better games but perhaps the grays defence is better than most ? they certainly closed down on ademeno and walsh quick.

Hope walsh is given the opportunity to take a few more direct free kicks-he does have a thunderbolt shot-and did see him score one of those for ebbsfleet at forest green last season.

 

not a great day for anyone, and  the side was  patched up-and for 75 mins-there was every chance we could have snatched a draw-pity- but nothing that two wins in the next 7 days against Dulwich won't put right.

 

 

Up the 'Gate

Edited September 21, 2013 by michael

[I am Spartacus]

Have to agree 100% with Michael, Kinchy's booking was a perfectley executed tackle that won the ball not even a foul so for a card to be issued was a disgrace.

 

As for calling the 'Squaters '  'Squaters' well that is exactly what they are. Not impressed by them at all infact had to have a go at them for foul and abuseive language which my wife was not impressed with. If I had said what was coming from thier mouths at MFC Peter Cove and his stewards would have requested me to leave.

 

Sorry Grays is another team  put on my list of grounds (wherever they SQUAT) not to visit. I would prefer to go to Deadwood or Craphill.

[I am Spartacus]

Must have been quite a kick

[Stocktaking Matt]

Could the league fine the club for this report? 200-plus people saw it but "They say that referee's don't influence games, but the man in the middle Michael Smith certainly left his mark" should be a line from a Martin blog, not a match report, or am I being a worrypuss? Journalistic antennae are waggling. 

 

Are we trying to get the club into trouble by giving people idea's like fining us? The match report seemed to reflect everything that happened in the game including that Grays deserved to go on and win the game after the incident, saying that the referee left his mark is a TRUE reflection of what happened and in no way ambiguous. The tackle was terrible and should have been a straight red!

[vic pain lives!]

Thought id leave it a couple of hours b4 posting. my thoughts are the ref and two assistants were all very poor, the possible pen in the first half i thought our player had possibly gone down a bit easy but once the ref had blown for a foul it had to be a pen as clearly in the box, their no 3 had long since realized the assistant was rubbish and appealed for everything and anything the assistant wouldn't even have known his own name at this point let alone been capable of helping the ref so just a freekick it was then. it was obvious to everyone after 10 minutes that the game wasn't going to end 11 v 11also that the team that went down to10 would probably lose which they did,too far away from the tackle on Craig and the kinch incident but from what people have said on another day (ie with a better ref) they would have been down to 10 and our players wouldn't have been argueing with the ref to pick up their yellows. have to disagree with Michael, bodkin didn't have that good a game but he's not a centre mid player but i accept there was no one else to play there, and cox HAD to do better regarding the first goal as a right back that is what he overall has to be judged on i do rate both of them though.one last thing the pitch was crap bobbly grass too long and don't give me none of that both for both teams bollocks .

[marksandwell]

My two penneth worth

 

I actually thought we weren't too bad in the first half. I think both teams were very weary of each other, and perhaps gave too much respect too each other. I thought we played a lot on attack, and certainly had the ball in their half for a good percentage of the time. They attacked when they lobbed the ball forward to chase. The second half a different matter. I'm not interested in ref decisions, we know what to expect at this level you get good calls, bad calls. The real issue is discipline,can any one confirm or tell me the facts..I reckon we've had 25+booking already this season!!! Leave the moaning at the officials to us supporters, just get on with playing football. You ALL know you are never going to make any difference on a refs decisions once its been made, it JUST DOSEN'T HAPPEN. I may be alone today but i think its just a bad day at the office, we'll be alright.

[michael]

Glad to read the s word has been changed to the factually correct 'sharers '.

 

Forgot about the chest penalty in second half-again-was quite a way from it; and simply not sure.

 

Ref may have got all 3 major incidents correct-first half pen, holloway incident, chest 'pen'-or he may have got all 3 wrong.

I simply don't know, but either way- desperately unlucky that all 3 key decisions go against you so as players, directors, supporters you can understand the frustration /annoyance

 

did I read somewhere that in the premiership, refs and linesmen call just 28% of major incidents correctly-doesn't give you much hope when you are 6 leagues lower !!

 

Hope Holloway ok this morning-would think he will be sitting out Tuesdays game.

Edited September 22, 2013 by michael

[SteveB]

It seems that the opinion of the ref is shared by both sides. This is on the Grays forum.......

 

 

 

Well, I have to say...I've seen some poor refs which, to be fair, you expect at this level but today's was just unbelievable. he really didn't seem to get anything right.Apart from the sending off which he had no choice on.The number 4 already had a yellow from first half so how ridiculous to keep arguing with the ref long after the challenge between their keeper and Jeff Hammond.
The ref assessor was there today and I should think the poor bloke's pen ran out of ink,
A great result for us however ...whatever the ref did or didn't do. I thought Jared had a superb game first half but it didn't really happen for him 2nd half so substituted. Midfield generally did very well, I thought and obviously the defence did their bit because a clean sheet!!!!!

Read more: http://graysathleticfc.proboards.com/thread/1859/grays-athletic-margate-fc#ixzz2fbw4Nwf8

 

[Blackz]

Would have to agree about the match report having potential to get the club into trouble - from the sounds of it the ref was yet another shocking one, & we've been unlucky to have a few of those this season - but the remarks on the website's match report just seem really unprofessional - we're better than that.

 

Was bored earlier so took a look at our discplinary record - 16 yellows & 4 reds - in our defence, Dolby isn't a dirty player & has picked up 3 yellows & a red - so could be due to not being a natural left back? Kinch - while always a player who will pick up bookings due to how he plays (110%, reputation may go before him) could argue that both reds he got (for second bookable offences) were poor decisions from the ref.

 

Jabbering on a bit here, but we're a fantastic team with great players - still feeling positive but hoping the discipline improves because we can't afford to have our best players suspended or go down to ten men as much as we have been doing (stating the obvious)

 

Wasn't at the game Saturday but Mark's opinion is always good enough for me - bad day at the office & hoping we can make things right on Tuesday.

[michael]

reading that-wouldn't you love to know what assessors report said.

 

I imagine both sides knew before game that assessor was there-if that was the case-so the players ought to have known that the ref would be particularly strict-as proven by about 4 cards in first 15 mins og game.

 

did we miss a trick there and not be 'whiter than white' at start of game,as opposed to putting the ref under pressure.

 

the linesman with the facual fuzz also acted a bit like a prima donna-a bit of feedback is fine-but he was constantly talking to the benches-wrong I thought

Edited September 22, 2013 by michael

[vic pain lives!]

Was talking to my mate winkle at half time (always a pleasure never a chore) and he and the management etc knew the assesser was present.

[I am Spartacus]

Was talking to my mate winkle at half time (always a pleasure never a chore) and he and the management etc knew the assesser was present.

 

Winkle was obviously not on the pitch at the time as when he was on it all I could see was his banet as the grass was VERY tall.

[michael]

credit to SO in the nlp for admitting that the side did lose a bit of discipline and not being too harsh on the ref's deciosions (not sure if joint manager-CH feels the same as he was the one who got the boot in the face )

[michael]

Now reading the official site, i read that Mr O has marginally more forthright view today on the referee.

He was closer (not by much )- and has better eyesight than me- to the key decisions so whilst I simply was not sure on all 3 decisions will take his position.

 

That given- I blame the Grays programme editor for it all.

 

First the ref thinks the game is between Krays and Margate on grays road, then he gets to the ground, reads the i article in the programme about how just this june, in Brazil the referee was beheaded on the pitch by players and supporters (love the way the article poses the question-that's taking it to extreme isn't it with a question mark-no of course not-beheading the ref is common place surely ? )

Reading that and still thinking its Krays v Margate-referee decides to make a few interesting decisions that some say favoured Krays

[Chris1]

Michael, what are you on, and is it available in the shops?