Basil-Don Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-23506795 So another two Muslim gangs appear in court in the past two days,one targeted vulnerable white girls the other vulnerable Sikh girls.Now we can be silly about this and say the fact that they are muslims is irrelevant and theres people from various religions who exploit vulnerable children and basically ignore everything that the facts and common sense spell out. That's basically what the government and social services will do of course. Interesting that so many cases are coming to court now as many of the crimes go back years,the reason is of course quite simple,the authorities knew what was going on and did nothing but once one case came to court the local police authorities had to act on all the others, in many cases local Muslim men were reporting their suspicions to the police only to be ignored.Given the freedom to basically exploit children in any way they desired its hardly surprised such gangs begun to flourish the gangs themselves must be wondering how they now end up in court for something which the authorities turned a blind eye to for years. Now I have no time for any religion, people who tend to only read ONE book whether it be The Bible,The Koran or Mein Kampf tend to end up pretty fcked up, the fact is Muslims do seem to have some issues with women and when they say they respect women they basically mean Muslim women,if you have men who believe that women should be covered up living in a liberated western society where young ladies walk around in various states of undress that's a pretty volatile situation. If we want to pretend that race and religion played no part in these crimes then we are as guilty as the authorities who allowed such abuse to happen for years.The young victims were let down by many people,obviously the men themselves but also the authorities and their families if we as a society fail to address such crimes in a honest manner it just adds insult to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Well I know that Rhodes will say "Live and let live" but absolutely it is correct to route out these perverts, stop them from ruining any more lives and punish them. You cannot single out one group or type of person and ignore these terrible abuses. Of course it's not limited to one type of group of whatever religion though, any idiot knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil-Don Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 in the same way that I believe the crimes of Roman Catholic priests was shaped by their religion its fair to say that the same can be said in these cases,theres no point in saying that their faith didn't influence their crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Well I think the power of their organisation allowed these perverts to hide within it and use their positions to facilitate their evil crimes but I don't believe the religion promotes it in anyway. Only an idiot would believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-23506795 So another two Muslim gangs appear in court in the past two days,one targeted vulnerable white girls the other vulnerable Sikh girls.Now we can be silly about this and say the fact that they are muslims is irrelevant and theres people from various religions who exploit vulnerable children and basically ignore everything that the facts and common sense spell out. That's basically what the government and social services will do of course. Interesting that so many cases are coming to court now as many of the crimes go back years,the reason is of course quite simple,the authorities knew what was going on and did nothing but once one case came to court the local police authorities had to act on all the others, in many cases local Muslim men were reporting their suspicions to the police only to be ignored.Given the freedom to basically exploit children in any way they desired its hardly surprised such gangs begun to flourish the gangs themselves must be wondering how they now end up in court for something which the authorities turned a blind eye to for years. Now I have no time for any religion, people who tend to only read ONE book whether it be The Bible,The Koran or Mein Kampf tend to end up pretty fcked up, the fact is Muslims do seem to have some issues with women and when they say they respect women they basically mean Muslim women,if you have men who believe that women should be covered up living in a liberated western society where young ladies walk around in various states of undress that's a pretty volatile situation. If we want to pretend that race and religion played no part in these crimes then we are as guilty as the authorities who allowed such abuse to happen for years.The young victims were let down by many people,obviously the men themselves but also the authorities and their families if we as a society fail to address such crimes in a honest manner it just adds insult to injury. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-23506795 So another two Muslim gangs appear in court in the past two days,one targeted vulnerable white girls the other vulnerable Sikh girls.Now we can be silly about this and say the fact that they are muslims is irrelevant and theres people from various religions who exploit vulnerable children and basically ignore everything that the facts and common sense spell out. That's basically what the government and social services will do of course. Interesting that so many cases are coming to court now as many of the crimes go back years,the reason is of course quite simple,the authorities knew what was going on and did nothing but once one case came to court the local police authorities had to act on all the others, in many cases local Muslim men were reporting their suspicions to the police only to be ignored.Given the freedom to basically exploit children in any way they desired its hardly surprised such gangs begun to flourish the gangs themselves must be wondering how they now end up in court for something which the authorities turned a blind eye to for years. Now I have no time for any religion, people who tend to only read ONE book whether it be The Bible,The Koran or Mein Kampf tend to end up pretty fcked up, the fact is Muslims do seem to have some issues with women and when they say they respect women they basically mean Muslim women,if you have men who believe that women should be covered up living in a liberated western society where young ladies walk around in various states of undress that's a pretty volatile situation. If we want to pretend that race and religion played no part in these crimes then we are as guilty as the authorities who allowed such abuse to happen for years.The young victims were let down by many people,obviously the men themselves but also the authorities and their families if we as a society fail to address such crimes in a honest manner it just adds insult to injury. I tend to agree with much of what the person who wrote the post says, I doubt though that Basil-Don wrote it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor Of Simpleton Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Religion should not be used as a reason or cover to do anything illegal or immoral (paedophilia/war/football violence or whatever). Most religion actually focuses on peace, love and respect. Unfortunately, bigots twist and distort what is said to suit their own agenda. Those men that took part in the abuse of these girls deserve to be shot, in my opinion, and it is time for stricter punishments against rapists and paedophiles. Basil mentions about us being a liberal nation - maybe that's to our disadvantage at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Blame Me Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I look forward to the day when the Catholic Church end their stance of denial. Child abuse is wrong, irrespective what religious thinking is applied or referred to. What is disturbing is the headline of Muslim Child Prostitution Rings. Had it referred to Asian, Pakistani or whatever, I would have been more comfortable. Is there a reference to "Christian child abuse rings" following the Jimmy Savile / Stuart Hall findings and convictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor Of Simpleton Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I look forward to the day when the Catholic Church end their stance of denial. As somebody who was born Catholic (now Deist) I could not agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I look forward to the day when the Catholic Church end their stance of denial. Child abuse is wrong, irrespective what religious thinking is applied or referred to. What is disturbing is the headline of Muslim Child Prostitution Rings. Had it referred to Asian, Pakistani or whatever, I would have been more comfortable. Is there a reference to "Christian child abuse rings" following the Jimmy Savile / Stuart Hall findings and convictions? It might help if the catholic church allowed priests that take confessions to report illegal activities that they hear of to the police. It would be even better if they reported all the paedophiles in their own ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookey Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It might help if the catholic church allowed priests that take confessions to report illegal activities that they hear of to the police. It would be even better if they reported all the paedophiles in their own ranks. Who does the paedophile priest confess to? I grew up in the Catholic faith (Now Lapsed) and whilst Catholism is not the problem, the Catholic Church is certainly a refuge for deviants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil-Don Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 I look forward to the day when the Catholic Church end their stance of denial. Child abuse is wrong, irrespective what religious thinking is applied or referred to. What is disturbing is the headline of Muslim Child Prostitution Rings. Had it referred to Asian, Pakistani or whatever, I would have been more comfortable. Is there a reference to "Christian child abuse rings" following the Jimmy Savile / Stuart Hall findings and convictions? Sorry all the men involved have been Muslims all of the girls involved have been non Muslim I don't believe i'm being too controversial when I suggest that there was a racial element to the attacks,to suggest otherwise would be silly really.Saville,Hall et cetera attacked girls of their own race if they had only attacked black girls would not everyone suggest there was a racial motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor Of Simpleton Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Maybe O/T, but there was a programme on BBC One, about a year ago, which followed young Muslim men in Burnley and Bradford who were teenagers and on the verge of becoming adults and getting married. The Muslim boys were very Westernised, and wanted the way of life that their white friends had (basically to go out drinking and pull girls on a Friday night) but knew that they had to obey their families wishes not to drink or have sex with a non-Muslim girl as it would bring shame and disgrace on the family. Going back to the OP, the Muslim men whom abused the girls knew that if they had done the same to Muslim girls then they would be running for their lives. However, white (indigenous) girls from the UK are stereotyped as 'slags', 'slappers' and easy. Therefore they were maybe easier to convince. These men should also be charged with racially aggravated assault and torture, as well as rape. The Government needs to say that racism and religious hatred is offensive no matter what colour or creed you are, and to make examples out of these vermin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil-Don Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 Maybe O/T, but there was a programme on BBC One, about a year ago, which followed young Muslim men in Burnley and Bradford who were teenagers and on the verge of becoming adults and getting married. The Muslim boys were very Westernised, and wanted the way of life that their white friends had (basically to go out drinking and pull girls on a Friday night) but knew that they had to obey their families wishes not to drink or have sex with a non-Muslim girl as it would bring shame and disgrace on the family. Going back to the OP, the Muslim men whom abused the girls knew that if they had done the same to Muslim girls then they would be running for their lives. However, white (indigenous) girls from the UK are stereotyped as 'slags', 'slappers' and easy. Therefore they were maybe easier to convince. These men should also be charged with racially aggravated assault and torture, as well as rape. The Government needs to say that racism and religious hatred is offensive no matter what colour or creed you are, and to make examples out of these vermin. The men probably had much better access to vulnerable white girls than vulnerable muslim girls but the fact that they preyed on Sikh girls too shows that these attacks were quite simply vile racist attacks, can you imagine the outcome if a group of white men systematically attacked muslim girls over a number of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor Of Simpleton Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 can you imagine the outcome if a group of white men systematically attacked muslim girls over a number of years. I can - they'd all be dead by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 If it was 20 white men abusing young Muslim girls it would be racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 And whilst on the subject of Muslim culture................. What about a muslim girl, born and bred here, who then has a relationship with a non-muslim white man and then ends up the subject of a so called "Honour Killing" ?? That just about sums the whole muslim faith up for me ! Their own women must toes the line and respect that men rule, but as far as white girls are concerned, they are considered 'easy-meat' for muslim men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 And whilst on the subject of Muslim culture................. What about a muslim girl, born and bred here, who then has a relationship with a non-muslim white man and then ends up the subject of a so called "Honour Killing" ?? That just about sums the whole muslim faith up for me ! Their own women must toes the line and respect that men rule, but as far as white girls are concerned, they are considered 'easy-meat' for muslim men. From what you say that sounds like they are only a few hundred years if that behind us. They must be heading in the right direction then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 And whilst on the subject of Muslim culture................. What about a muslim girl, born and bred here, who then has a relationship with a non-muslim white man and then ends up the subject of a so called "Honour Killing" ?? That just about sums the whole muslim faith up for me ! Their own women must toes the line and respect that men rule, but as far as white girls are concerned, they are considered 'easy-meat' for muslim men. When I was a young shaver I went out with a lovely Indian girl for a few months who I believe was a Sikh. Apparently, had we been seen together we would both have been very badly beaten by her family. I doubt my parents would have accepted her either because of her colour. Now I have a beautiful Thai daughter in law and her colour or race has never once been an issue, so although things are improving there's still a long way to go before bigotry is totally eradicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Is she good at table tennis?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Is she good at table tennis?? I don't know, but she is a pretty good marathon runner a marshal arts expert and speaks several languages fluently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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