Tories stop online child porn

[Basil-Don]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

 

well done David Cameroon on stopping online child porn !! er not quite how many paedophilles find their material through google search?? another very silly gimmick to appease readers of the Daily Mail. Intrigued by the idea that people become paedophilles after watching child porn doesn't it work vice versa? when did Tia Sharp's mother become a expert on internet censorship? it will probably take your average paedophile 5 minutes to work out a way round this.dangerous,popularist nonsense!!

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

Well, at least is a start.

 

I applaud DC for this move, we do need to protect our children from being exploited and if this is the first step towards not only banning child pornography with severe punishments for those who purposely view it (unless for research in academic circles) then great.

 

I think that the measures will go further than blocking porn on browsers - I would not be surprised if cookies were made mandatory on all sites including child pornography ones, so that any visitors to those sites can then be tracked down.

 

We need to be harsher and harder on paedophiles, rapists and murderers - at the moment the UK is far too liberal, and this puts very vulnerable people at risk.

[Basil-Don]

what exactly are you appaulding him for,all what this means is that I now have to 'opt in' for porn access shouldn't it be a case that people have to 'opt out' another victory for lazy,stupid parents.

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

Opt in?  Hmm...will probably be a compulsory opt-in when going online in the future.

 

I've recently spoken to a contact who works in IT, and he says that it would surprise him if Computer Licences were made mandatory very soon.

 

Every site that you go on would be logged and fed back to a 'Central Control' (probably the Met Police) and should you venture into sites deemed 'unsuitable' you could face arrest,being fined, or put in jail.

 

In Wales, politicians wanted people to opt in to organ donation.  Now it's slightly changed, as they presume people there will give consent to have their organs harvested (ooops can't say that!)  It'll be the same for computers - the authorities will presume that you won't mind being opted in.  I mean, if you say no then they'll think 'aha, what have YOU got to hide from us?'

 

Some parents are stupid, yes, but a lot are scared as previous Governments have told them how to think, how to act etc.  These parents are now scared of doing anything to affect their little darlings because they fear being branded as bad parents.  They mustn't walk from school, because there's nasty people around, so they get ferried around in 4x4s and develop rickets due to a lack of exercise.  They fear intruding in their private lives, so don't say anything when their kids go online and talk with people.  Parents cannot win at times - if they are too strict they risk losing their kids respect, and if they are too soft then they are open season for critics when their little darling gets into trouble.  

[Basil-Don]

if theres 50 million computer users in the UK how many people would the government need to employ to monitior our activites? Personally im going to carry on watching granny gangbang 4,mum daughter foot fetish and golden showers and wait for a knock on the door.its nothing to do with protecting children its about governments hating free thought and speech.

 

''Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

[Loose]

Maybe it would be best if the government just chose what we should look at and read, for us. I had no idea that society had fallen to such low levels of intelligence as Simpleton suggests. With a stroke and the flaccid apathy of the masses the freedoms that generations have fought for, campaigned for and paid for are gone. Not getting into right versus left argument but this country will be ripe for Farage and his Brownshirts to take over.

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

When you're done with BustyMilfs 4 let me know, Basil

 

You are right though, any form of 'protection' comes with the added 'but we want to intrude into your personal life as well.'   Although personally I don't trust DC, I do welcome anything that will honestly protect children from abuse.  Protection of our most important and most vulnerable people (young and old) needs to be paramount.

 

How many people would the Government need to employ?  As many people who want to earn over £100k a year of tax payers money no doubt.  CEOP already exists, but would a contract on monitoring people's internet behaviour have to be put out to tender?

 

At least this topic is being discussed, and hopefully we can all look forward to child pornography and exploitation being a thing of the past in years to come.  Society and the law has to change, and say that any form of child abuse is 100% wrong, 100% illegal and 100% punishable by either 30 years in jail with every incident of abuse counting as 30 years (so as to abolish concurrent sentences) or dare I say it the death penalty for the worst offenders.

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

Maybe it would be best if the government just chose what we should look at and read, for us. I had no idea that society had fallen to such low levels of intelligence as Simpleton suggests. With a stroke and the flaccid apathy of the masses the freedoms that generations have fought for, campaigned for and paid for are gone. Not getting into right versus left argument but this country will be ripe for Farage and his Brownshirts to take over.

 

Well, you get the Government that you deserve in that case

 

Maybe my comment about parents was a tad unfair - not all of them are stupid and inept, but there are parents out there who do not know how to be parents properly for fear of being branded as bad.   They can't discipline their children, for fear of ending up in court charged with assault, and they can't monitor them 24/7.  

It's not the parents that are wrong - the law is.  The law in this country is a joke - when children can be taken off UKIP voters then that says it all.

 

I don't usually watch the dross channel that is BBC Three, but one programme on there called The World's Strictest Parents caught my eye - in other countries, parents discipline their children and that creates an environment of respect, trust and love.  We can't do that here due to the inept t*ssers elected as our Government.

 

Now, going back to the child pornography/exploitation, it needs banning absolutely.  If sites are no longer prepared to host such material, then that's a good start, but we need to take the roots out as well.  It'll be a long time, but hopefully we can turn the corner on child abuse in the years to come - I certainly hope so anyway.

[Basil-Don]

The problem is you aren't going to stop child abuse,thats like saying lets stop envy,,hatred or racism its a fact of life some grown ups will  always abuse children.whos advising Cameroon on paedophilles because im pretty certain they aren't using google I think its a bit more sophisticated than that.

[Loose]

Just the thoughts off the top of my head Simpleton.

 

1) Parents should know where their kids are, so no-one is taking images of them to use for Child Pornography wherever that is displayed.

2) Parents should know what their children are doing and what they are looking at. If they cannot trust them to use the internet properly and safely then individually the parents should be managing that.

3) The Government need to censor the purveyors and customers of child porn, not censor the whole law abiding population. And-

4) The police should be doing their jobs not taking away the ability of Society to exercise their moral and legal responsibilities. 

 

Censorship is unsafe, not the general public.

 

Oh and

 

5) You are an idiot. Sorry, don't shoot the messenger.

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

Loose,

 

1-4 I agree with, but you'll always get some soppy liberal moaning about the child's rights in that respect.  Unfortunately, the majority suffer because a minority cannot (or will not) behave.

 

5, One man's idiot is another person's genius. 

 

Yes, parents should take an interest in what their children are doing online, but some either don't wish to be seen as interfering busy-bodies or worse they couldn't care what their children are doing.   

 

Basil, a good point, but with education and tighter laws more can be done.  Using homosexuals as an example, we have made the UK a far safer place for them nowadays.  They have the freedom to march and to have gay bars/clubs which is part of the democratic world in which we live.  People who are vehemently homophobic are clamped down upon and punished, which is as it should be - nobody should be victimised in today's world no matter what they believe in or what colour their skin is.

 

As for people who are sexually attracted to children or turned on by child pornography, I would make it the law that they see a doctor and get psychiatric help.  If they can face their problems and wish to change for the better then fine.  If they refuse help, then in my opinion they deserve to hang.

 

Sex education needs to change as well, with less emphasis on 'if you haven't done it by the time you're 16/17, you are a weirdo' and more focused on what love really is and how to create a proper family environment.  Some of these child porn users, I would more than imagine, got inadequate (or probably no) sex education as a child and hence they've become sexually warped.  Stop shoving sex down people's throats (no innuendo!) and let us go back to a more morally conservative society, where it's not about how many people you've been with or who's got the biggest tadger but more about who you are and what you can positively contribute.

[Ian_W]

Just the thoughts off the top of my head Simpleton.

 

1) Parents should know where their kids are, so no-one is taking images of them to use for Child Pornography wherever that is displayed.

Indeed they should - problem is most do not.

 

2) Parents should know what their children are doing and what they are looking at. If they cannot trust them to use the internet properly and safely then individually the parents should be managing that.

Again they should in an ideal world, but again 90%+ will not. Either because they do not understand computers as well as their children or because their children can access the internet via their phones, tablets, laptops etc., more often away from their parents i.e bedroom, at school etc.

 

Even if they only have access in the living room say, kids are just as good as adults as to hiding what they are looking at. Adults do it at work looking / watching sport, kids do it at home looking at other sites.

[missunderstood]

what exactly are you appaulding him for,all what this means is that I now have to 'opt in' for porn access shouldn't it be a case that people have to 'opt out' another victory for lazy,stupid parents.

 

 

So not only are you a union hating right wing nutcase, your also a sexual deviant that uses and needs to watch pornography

 

. As far as I'm concerned the exploitation of woman and children is a bye product of porn, and if it wasn't for nasty pieces of work and perverts that use this filth,  its possible that porn could one day be eradicated, or at least massively reduced so children can grow up safer and in a more decent world.

 

For once in his life I actually believe Camaron has got it right, and I applaud him for his actions.

[Loose]

[Eastside Urchin]

What

[Basil-Don]

So not only are you a union hating right wing nutcase, your also a sexual deviant that uses and needs to watch pornography

 

. As far as I'm concerned the exploitation of woman and children is a bye product of porn, and if it wasn't for nasty pieces of work and perverts that use this filth,  its possible that porn could one day be eradicated, or at least massively reduced so children can grow up safer and in a more decent world.

 

For once in his life I actually believe Camaron has got it right, and I applaud him for his actions.

 

that's a bit harsh,not sure how pornography exploits children they don't feature in the material I watch,you can visit porn sites all day and you would never come across such images,which leads me to believe that you have to be pretty determined to find such material, which makes a complete nonsense of the governments proposals.i think you're confusing porn made by consenting actors and snuff movies,i don't watch porn then go out commiting sexual attacks that's because im a grown up who knows the difference between fantasy and real life.people don't watch violent movies then become violent they watch violent movies because they ARE violent if they weren't attracted towards violence then they wouldn't be watching the violent movie in the first place,the same with pedophillia.

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

It depends how impressionable you are to the images you see, especially in the cases of children.

 

One of the Bulger killers (think it was Venables) had a history of watching extremely violent films as a young child, and his parents did nothing to stop him watching these films.  If there had been an intervention, maybe James Bulger would still be alive today?

[Loose]

Better stop all those violent films then. Books after.

[missunderstood]

that's a bit harsh,not sure how pornography exploits children they don't feature in the material I watch,you can visit porn sites all day and you would never come across such images,which leads me to believe that you have to be pretty determined to find such material, which makes a complete nonsense of the governments proposals.i think you're confusing porn made by consenting actors and snuff movies,i don't watch porn then go out commiting sexual attacks that's because im a grown up who knows the difference between fantasy and real life.people don't watch violent movies then become violent they watch violent movies because they ARE violent if they weren't attracted towards violence then they wouldn't be watching the violent movie in the first place,the same with pedophillia.

 

 

Of coarse pornography exploits children and its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. There's thousands of girls in their early teens who could easily pass as young woman so how on earth can you be certain that the people that appear in the filth you watch are not children being exploited  by evil porn barons, and the perverts that watch it.  

[Basil-Don]

It depends how impressionable you are to the images you see, especially in the cases of children.

 

One of the Bulger killers (think it was Venables) had a history of watching extremely violent films as a young child, and his parents did nothing to stop him watching these films.  If there had been an intervention, maybe James Bulger would still be alive today?

the children shouldn't have been watching such material,always the same argument - lets ban things because the irresponsible and stupid people cant be trusted.