Youth Progression ?

[the go between]

From all reports it would seem that the few good young local prospects that were at the club last season are not currently involved in any first team training situations at present ,  and given that i dont believe the first team manager has any significant contact with last years reserves or this years under 21s we are potentially missing some good prospects without even giving them a look ?  , great shame if that's the case as it would be good to have some local talent vying for first team places and probably help with regard to the player budget as well . Even if not ready right now some inclusion can only help with their progression ? 

 

any comments or views ? 

 

[dannyriding]

From all reports it would seem that the few good young local prospects that were at the club last season are not currently involved in any first team training situations at present ,  and given that i dont believe the first team manager has any significant contact with last years reserves or this years under 21s we are potentially missing some good prospects without even giving them a look ?  , great shame if that's the case as it would be good to have some local talent vying for first team places and probably help with regard to the player budget as well . Even if not ready right now some inclusion can only help with their progression ? 

 

any comments or views ? 

Under 21 goalie played the second half at Ashford and looked very able IMO.

[margatehoops@gmail.com]

Don't think current manager set up is entirely interested in the youth section and academy at all. Joint managers were invited to youth section presentation to award trophies and didn't turn up. I here they were invited to u/21 trial and didn't turn up. It looks like these days we are Margate Football Club based in London FC

[blueblood]

BEING HONEST.

As those who know me will testify I have supported youth in the club for years, I have travelled long distances carrying the Reserves and the old academy too and from games, I have written match reports, fought the setups corner within the club. I have pushed players forward from the back ground.

What I have found the most damaging to the youth sections reputation and therfore the chances of the Kids is the past behavour of certain coaches, At presentation nights, at the main club presentation(heckling) and the negativity they have had towards the main club which if they have these opinions they should bring them forward in private and deal with them "NOT" in public or especialy in front of youngsters in their charge.

CH & SO were not at the last reserves game at the end of the season either but, they heard what was going on as did the directors and academy set up.

We are at the begining of a new era regarding youth at this club. Too "margatehoops" get out there, start getting the results and stop this harmful negativity, "BE POSITIVE".

Edited July 10, 2013 by blueblood

[margatehoops@gmail.com]

What do you mean by "get out there", bit confused?

[BlueGate Alan]

Well said Graeme, a very negative first post from bluehoops may I add too.

[margatehoops@gmail.com]

The behavior of people at the club is negative, not the post!

[blueblood]

You really think so?

If you went to Ashford last night you would have noticed the difference in condition, Apart from the young academy kids and "JM" there was no one in the ressies physically fit enough to get into the first team from there last year. Of the 2 i thought could have gone on, 1 had injury troubles and the other was to good!! and his attitude stunk.

  Getting p*ssed on a friday night and not getting to bed till  "stupid o'clock " before a busy weekend does not work.  Playing  and putting in a great performance against a very good Maidstone side on a bank holiday Saturday should have been a great incentive,  instead after being asked to rest  and not  play Sunday league they did the opposite, flopping on bank holiday monday, This is not the attitude. 

The youth have to drum this into the youngsters from a early age. After a conversation with a youth coach at Ashford last night, parents need to be dealt with as well. Not only in the park, its no different  at ressie games.

[margatehoops@gmail.com]

First of all I was at Ashford. Secondly is it the role of the youth coach also to act as parents to educated the players too? Surely parents and players who are around 18 should know themselves. Youth coaches give up their time for free and try and fit in training/ matches when they are not working and being a parent themselves they should not have to baby sit players and check when they are in their house. There has not been any dialogue with any involved with youth at the club since Terry Yorath was in charge and worked on much smaller budgets compared to that in recent years. The fact is simple, as long as the first team are training in London how can you expect younger players to travel up to london to train without transport and money to get there?

 

Some of the first team players are only in Margate twice a month, how is a club who has such an active youth structure and community set up able to promote the first team players as "role models" for younger players when the younger players do not know who any of them are?

 

You look at Lowestoft and Bury Town, a lot of local players, success and big crowds. Doesn't take a rocket scientist?? 

[Coffin Ender]

Lowestoft have had many players from outside the area. I suspect Bury cast their net pretty wide as well. Clubs at Ryman Premier level generally have to do that.

 

Any first-team manager at any club, unless they have a cast-iron guarantee that they will be in their job for the next ten years, will concentrate on results first and foremost rather than bringing on youngsters.

 

The bottom line is supporters don't care where players come from. What matters is how good they are.

[blueblood]

I understand you are all part time and where would organisations be without people as like you (i am assuming you are a coach).

I may have got this wrong, as a coach are you not responsible for the Kids when in your charge, are you not responsible for the behavour of their parents be it 18+ or not. Terry was and still is a great bloke, he lived in Kingsgate when he was here. I often quote to people the ramsgate res game when he held them back at 1/2 time 0-1 down and coached positions. final score i believe was 6-1. International coaching.

 

As for the main Club , If you nhave a gripe, get together,go and see "KP", from my experience he will listen and discuss.

"THIS IS NOT THE PLACE".

[dannyriding]

First of all I was at Ashford. Secondly is it the role of the youth coach also to act as parents to educated the players too? Surely parents and players who are around 18 should know themselves. Youth coaches give up their time for free and try and fit in training/ matches when they are not working and being a parent themselves they should not have to baby sit players and check when they are in their house. There has not been any dialogue with any involved with youth at the club since Terry Yorath was in charge and worked on much smaller budgets compared to that in recent years. The fact is simple, as long as the first team are training in London how can you expect younger players to travel up to london to train without transport and money to get there?

 

Some of the first team players are only in Margate twice a month, how is a club who has such an active youth structure and community set up able to promote the first team players as "role models" for younger players when the younger players do not know who any of them are?

 

You look at Lowestoft and Bury Town, a lot of local players, success and big crowds. Doesn't take a rocket scientist?? 

The youth set-up although (as you say) is not perfect is still a very good example of a a non-league club trying to do whats right by the local kids/prospective players, to hack at the club on a social forum where they are probably not involved seems to me like p"*sing into the wind.  Call the club and raise your concerns, alternatively speak to Steve Winch and maybe organise a meet with the manager(s) direct - at least you'll get some answers.

[margate lad]

So, these friendlies are to give trialists games to see how they get on, so why not give some of the local lads a chance as if they were trialists. There were 2 or 3 young lads spending time on the bench last season and if they were given a a game in a friendly then at least you can then say no sorry not quite ready yet or you could find that they could slot well into the team but they can't prove themselves without being given a chance

[dannyriding]

So, these friendlies are to give trialists games to see how they get on, so why not give some of the local lads a chance as if they were trialists. There were 2 or 3 young lads spending time on the bench last season and if they were given a a game in a friendly then at least you can then say no sorry not quite ready yet or you could find that they could slot well into the team but they can't prove themselves without being given a chance

did they (these local lads) turn up or even ask the club if they could trial???

[margate lad]

If they have been part of the club over the last year or two then surely someone could ask them to come along and see how they get on. As said before, they might not be good enough as like some of these other trialists but as someone mentioned above, if they were good enough i bet they would'nt want paying nowhere near as much as other players that come from further afield, thus saving the club money 

[blueblood]

I am sure this will happen once pre season is sorted out. Tell me if i am wrong but isn't the natural progression through 16's/18's/Academy to u21's. Last season  a few of the academy kid's and best of all Taylor from u18's made a good impression as they progressed into the reserves. I know the 1st team have been told about and are aware of these kids. They no doubt will follow their progress throughout the forthcoming season.I also believe that when a u18 was asked to step up to reserves last year , he didn't show up. I

Be positive, cut out this them and us. If you have a problem go to Mr Chambers with it and as a natural progress he is the man to take your gripes to the Club, not through a public forum.

[michael]

I am not normally one of those who enters the perennial debate about youth development/local players etc .etc.

 

Simply-if they are not good enough/committed enough they have got no hope of progressing ;and its the managers jobs to build a side to be competitive at ryman premier level; and it seems that the current youth aren't up to it. 

 

It was a bit of a surprise therefore to see that 16 year old George Whitlock had been signed to the first team squad.

I have no idea how good he is/will be ;but at face value it seemed odd.

 

I can't comment on a 20 minute appearance at whitstabbuble.

 

Those better qualified than me to judge will hopefully say he is the best left back since Ashley Cole-and at 16 he has all the qualities to initially 'survive' at ryman premier level; and then progress to a top quality player along the lines of Chris Smalling; and that is why he is a first team squad member..

Some may view it as a slight snub to existing academy players that someone of that age has been signed from outside of the system (as far as I know)-others may see it as a' gee-up'/incentive for those current academy players to really commit and push themselves on.

I just don't know-but certainly hope he does really well at MFC and from his cameo appearance-the signs are that he has   got what it takes ;and SOHO obviously see so much more of him in training

Edited July 19, 2013 by michael

[the go between]

be interesting to know what the 16 year old lads pedigree is , where has he come from has he shone at county or international level possibly ? , that said does any body actually think if he had been a local lad he would have got signed at 16 ? 

[margate lad]

Got to agree with the go between, there are local lads that should at least be given a trial like this lad obviously was and proved himself. How can the lads prove themselves without a trial. You could say that he will watch them, but how many youth/U21 games will he actually go and watch?

[the go between]

Perhaps somebody" in the know "  and when its finalised could confirm how many local lads are in the first team squad this season ?