Stephanie Bottrill

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

No Porkies here Alan, come along to Gloucester some time and I'll show you the delights of The Chambers and The Regal/Wetherspoons.

 

These places are proof indeed that Darwin got it wrong  Oh and most of Tuffley and Abbeymead as well - they have three hands in those parts.

 

Back to the OP and it is sad that one tragic event is being used to knock others and their politics.   Let us not forget, in among all the mudslinging, that a human being has died.  

 

Maybe our thoughts should be on Mrs. Bottrill and her family, not whether Labour/Tories/UKIP/whoever is right or wrong.

[missunderstood]

No Porkies here Alan, come along to Gloucester some time and I'll show you the delights of The Chambers and The Regal/Wetherspoons.

 

These places are proof indeed that Darwin got it wrong  Oh and most of Tuffley and Abbeymead as well - they have three hands in those parts.

 

Back to the OP and it is sad that one tragic event is being used to knock others and their politics.   Let us not forget, in among all the mudslinging, that a human being has died.  

 

Maybe our thoughts should be on Mrs. Bottrill and her family, not whether Labour/Tories/UKIP/whoever is right or wrong.

 

 

Still no update from Planet UKIP about the 14 year old mother of four who is being given a house and benefits even though it is illegal to do so.

[Basil-Don]

decent young working couples cant afford to start families, professional benefit claimants whose parents and grandparents never worked use the system having children to get a bigger house, apparentely when i stand up for working people that makes me a tory?? then again it probably does as labour and the unions have never shown much interest in defending the decent working man,when the scum breed who do you think suffer? working people who have the misfortune to live in the same communities as them.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Basil-Don

[missunderstood]

decent young working couples cant afford to start families, professional benefit claimants whose parents and grandparents never worked use the system having children to get a bigger house, apparentely when i stand up for working people that makes me a tory?? then again it probably does as labour and the unions have never shown much interest in defending the decent working man,when the scum breed who do you think suffer? working people who have the misfortune to live in the same communities as them.

 

Absolutely rediculous, the unions just wouldn't exist if they didnt defend their WORKING members. As far as I know there's no trade union that represents the interests of non working people apart from retired members. The trade union movement certainly served me well and I'm proud to call myself a loyal retired trade unionist.

[Eastside Urchin]

He said decent working men,not union members

[missunderstood]

He said decent working men,not union members

 

 

Trade union members almost always have better wages and conditions than non union workers. That doesn't mean that union members are not decent people, although there is an argument to say that non union members are not always the full ticket.

[Basil-Don]

trade unions and their members are the most reactionary,money grabbing selfish people you could ever meet, yes they look after their members at the expense of other working people-firemen striking on bonfire night, tube workers striking on boxing day, teachers striking and not going in whenever theres inclement weather,your average trade unionist doesnt seem to be too concerned about their working class comrades.

[missunderstood]

trade unions and their members are the most reactionary,money grabbing selfish people you could ever meet, yes they look after their members at the expense of other working people-firemen striking on bonfire night, tube workers striking on boxing day, teachers striking and not going in whenever theres inclement weather,your average trade unionist doesnt seem to be too concerned about their working class comrades.

 

Are you saying that workers should take all the shite thrown at them, be content with poverty pay, and retire without a dignified old age. Whenever I have been inconvenienced by fellow trade unionists industrial action I have always felt proud that my comrades are fighting back, and have never once  felt angry.

I always find envy such an unpleasant characteristic.

[Hookey]

Very rarely would I disagree with you Basil Don but I have only been on strike once, for 3 weeks in January 1987, when I was a member of the National Communications Union as a BT Engineer.

 

We provided cover for the emergency services and the vulnerable, e.g. people at home on dialysis machines etc. All on a non paid volunteer basis. We even had banners on the side of our vehicles saying Union Approved Emergency Support. We were very conscious of keeping the public on side and causing minimal disruption to the general public.

 

We weren't even striking about money, but the protection of our contracts, which management wanted to change without consultation.

 

 

 

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Edited May 16, 2013 by Hookey

[Basil-Don]

well no one could disagree with such action Hookey but most union strikes are carried out for selfish reasons it seems nowdays, when workers strike for the 'greater good' then that is commendable but all too often it seems to be people with good pay and perks i.e. tube workers striking to protect such perks and not caring about the inconvienence they cause others. 

[Eastside Urchin]

What cracks me up is that the leftie moronic brigade throw the. "I am alright jack" tag at the right but if you don't sign up to their particular union you are left behind,they don't give a toss about the working man who doesn't want to sign up to their particular union.They just want the best for their members, jack and their friends.

And if you dare disagree with the action taken by the unions,ie a strike,simply for the reasons that your children would starve if you stopped working you are thrown to the lions and basically treated like a lepper with a vicious disease.

Trade unions,pull the ladder up coz I'm ok.

Evil bastards

[Eastside Urchin]

And hookey,sometimes strikes are valid as in your case

But most of the time they are not,they are organised by self serving champagne socialists like bob Crowe who get off on seeing their name in bright lights on sky news

[Loose]

What a load of old cobblers, generalisations and a pathetic attempt to demonise the socialist and unionist movement. Perhaps people would prefer the working conditions pre Edwardian era or perhaps Victorian Workhouse Britain if they really feel that the honest working man hasn't improved his and his family's lot by the advent of the unions.

 

A complete bollix hatchet job, laughable if it wasn't so poor.

[missunderstood]

well no one could disagree with such action Hookey but most union strikes are carried out for selfish reasons it seems nowdays, when workers strike for the 'greater good' then that is commendable but all too often it seems to be people with good pay and perks i.e. tube workers striking to protect such perks and not caring about the inconvienence they cause others. 

 

 

Despite what you might read in the Sun, union members never take strike action lightly, and only do so to protect their standard of living and terms and conditions if all other forms of negotiations fail. Union exist to look after the interests of its members and not the general public at large, and if the public are inconvenienced why don't you blame the management who try to impose Dickensian measures instead,  because they are the real villains, not the unions.

[cup of tea]

A lot of the employment rights that we accept for granted nowadays, whether we're part of a union or not was as result a union activites and we owe them a debt of gratitude as a result. I stll feel that there is a place for unions in a modern society as long as they stay focussed on what's really important. We need to be aware that we live in times of a global economy and that we need to be competitive so excessive pay deals for example are not realisitic today. I can't see why a train driver is worth so much more to society than a nurse for example.

 

Union power became excessive in the 70s and early 80s and some unions became far too political in my opinion,and that has left a bitter taste for some people. Poor management, profit taking rather than re-investment meant that other countries caught up and overtook us, that's part of the reason that we got left behind.

[Eastside Urchin]

Yes,Sorry loosely,obvious you disagree do its complete bollox.

Unfortunately for you and union boy, it's true.

The left and their union pals are the biggest hypocrites in uk politics.

[Loose]

Yawn...blah blah...

 

More generalisations, thin on fact as usual.

[Eastside Urchin]

If you say so lucifer

[Loose]

If you say so lucifer

munch munch....

 

Always know when you've lost the plot when you can only resort to the nicknames lol.

 

 

It's a shame some people can't handle an honest debate.

[Eastside Urchin]

Says the bloke with the sweeping statement of "yawn,blah blah"