2 rumours

[Non League Nigel]

South Kilburn will be groundsharing at Hanworth Villa (can't see it myself)

 

Suburban league has lost its step 5 status

[ellers]

I heard a rumour yesterday that Warlingham have applied to come in to the Surrey Elite League.

[Chris Clapham]

South Kilburn will be groundsharing at Hanworth Villa (can't see it myself)

 

Suburban league has lost its step 5 status

 

How has the Suburban League got a step 5 status?

[Non League Nigel]

Something to do with the referees . I'm sure someone will clarify it

[Chris Clapham]

I heard a rumour yesterday that Warlingham have applied to come in to the Surrey Elite League.

Bad news for the CCL if true! Would rather have them playing at their own ground in div 1 rather than step 7.

[Mewcenary]

How has the Suburban League got a step 5 status?

 

I'm not sure on the exact context of your question, but for one, the two Premier divisions are refereed by Level 4s.  This is the same as the CCFL Prem.

 

If the Suburban loses supply league status, it would revert to all its divisions being refereed by levels 7 to 5.  Most likely, the league would only allow level 5s to referee, which would match the CCFL Div 1 and Reserves.  With possible exceptions for promotion candidates.

 

Also, assessors would no longer be appointed to 50%+ of Prem games  (That's a requirement of a league having supply league status).

 

Although this means that less 'senior' referees will be doing the Prem games, it should be remembered that there are a fair few very talented and experienced referees operating at level 5.  Some of these have operated at the higher echelons at the game, and dropped down for personal reasons, or when there was an age policy!  There is a bigger commitment when a referee hits level 4: They no longer get to pick and choose which games and leagues they do most of the time, as the FA effectively owns them.

 

I'm not sure if losing supply league status changes how the league feeds into the higher levels though.

Edited May 5, 2013 by Mewcenary

[Savagebee]

South Kilburn will be groundsharing at Hanworth Villa (can't see it myself)

 

 

Would have thought Wembley FC would have been the better option if the above is true.

[Chris Clapham]

Would have thought Wembley FC would have been the better option if the above is true.

As Hendon are off to Harrow next season, why not?

http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/harrowborough/news/hendon-to-ground-share-at-harrow-borough-659019.html

[spy]

I've not heard from the people that matter at Warlingham as yet, but several members yesterday eluded that they had approached the league and asked whether they could return to Verdayne gardens and remain in the league but were denied and have therefore decided to apply to the Elite league. Very sad after all we achieved, div one champs, fair play winners, four cups, 2 surrey cups and contested 3 other finals in our 9 seasons and despite the two unfortunate incidents this season, i believe have been a credit to this league. But i can understand the clubs dilemma. Paying out serious amounts of money to groundshare and no guarantee of progressing is pointless.

[Green_Fingers]

I've not heard from the people that matter at Warlingham as yet, but several members yesterday eluded that they had approached the league and asked whether they could return to Verdayne gardens and remain in the league but were denied and have therefore decided to apply to the Elite league. Very sad after all we achieved, div one champs, fair play winners, four cups, 2 surrey cups and contested 3 other finals in our 9 seasons and despite the two unfortunate incidents this season, i believe have been a credit to this league. But i can understand the clubs dilemma. Paying out serious amounts of money to groundshare and no guarantee of progressing is pointless.

Excuse my ignorance Spy  - what prevents this from being a Step 6 ground - lack of floodlights? If so what are the chances of getting them?

[Chris Clapham]

I've not heard from the people that matter at Warlingham as yet, but several members yesterday eluded that they had approached the league and asked whether they could return to Verdayne gardens and remain in the league but were denied and have therefore decided to apply to the Elite league. Very sad after all we achieved, div one champs, fair play winners, four cups, 2 surrey cups and contested 3 other finals in our 9 seasons and despite the two unfortunate incidents this season, i believe have been a credit to this league. But i can understand the clubs dilemma. Paying out serious amounts of money to groundshare and no guarantee of progressing is pointless.

 

Weren't Farleigh Rovers allowed to return home from their ground share at Croydon?

[spy]

Indeed Farleigh were allowed to return, BUT, don't forget I can't confirm that Wars definately asked the question, this was just the belief of several people at the club yesterday, not from any committee members.

GF --  the ground at Verdayne is a park so turnstiles/restricted access is a no and it is also surrounded by houses. The residents didn't want us there any how so getting lights and a stand is impossible, hence our groundshares with Merstham and Whyteleafe

 

If it were a massive park like Greatness Park we could possibly look into a similar situation as Sevenoaks enjoy but it is only a small park and not feasible

Edited May 5, 2013 by spy

[ellers]

That is a big shame as I've always classed Warlingham as one the big clubs in Division 1. I guess with the gardens not having a barrier around the pitch is a problem as well.

[VPCTFC]

I'm not sure on the exact context of your question, but for one, the two Premier divisions are refereed by Level 4s.  This is the same as the CCFL Prem.

 

If the Suburban loses supply league status, it would revert to all its divisions being refereed by levels 7 to 5.  Most likely, the league would only allow level 5s to referee, which would match the CCFL Div 1 and Reserves.  With possible exceptions for promotion candidates.

 

 

I'm not sure if losing supply league status changes how the league feeds into the higher levels though.

 

The Suburban League doesn't feed into other levels. It's a stand alone league outside the National League System so hasn't got a step number.

One of the anomalies in it comes in the Surrey cups. Reserve teams of clubs in the Surrey Senior Cup play in the Premier Cup alongside step 6 (mainly CCL1) first teams. Step 6 sides' reserves play in the Intermediate Cup. This means the reserves of clubs like Cobham and South Park play league football in the same division but different levels in the county cup.

[BAD GUY]

Heard that some Ryman league reserves could possibly join CCL Div 1 ?  Not such a bad idea maybe as I've seen a few Suburban Premier A and B teams this season, and they will challenge for top placings.  Some would even do well in the CCL Premier

 

I do wonder tho' how this would become possible.... so I'm not too sure of the correct facts.

 

Perhaps Lazarus can elaborate more please

[Non League Nigel]

I'm not in favour of it.

They are far better relaxing the rules on ground grading for step 6

[Green_Fingers]

Heard that some Ryman league reserves could possibly join CCL Div 1 ?  Not such a bad idea maybe as I've seen a few Suburban Premier A and B teams this season, and they will challenge for top placings.  Some would even do well in the CCL Premier

 

I do wonder tho' how this would become possible.... so I'm not too sure of the correct facts.

 

Perhaps Lazarus can elaborate more please

 

He already did - back in a post dated 22nd March:

 

"Just to explain the reasoning behind this. The Management Committee is concerned at the current number of clubs competing in Division One. There are 18 at present and were two clubs to go up from the Premier Division, with nobody in return, the knock-on effect could be that only one club is relegated, with possibly three coming up. That reduces Division One to 16 clubs with only one having applied to come in and that is in the hands of the FA. Sixteen is about the minimum number for senior football and given also that a number of clubs do not meet the requirements for the level at which they play (that matter will be debated by the Management Committee shortly) we have a potential problem.

 

One possible option discussed would be to invite two reserve teams from clubs playing at Step 4 or above to come into Division One. No approaches have been made though, as the League wished to obtain the views of existing Division One clubs before embarking upon this course. A letter has been sent to the clubs seeking their views on the matter and I can advise that, at the time of writing, only five clubs have replied, two in favour and three against, even though the deadline for responding has passed.

 

Doubtless there will be a few more responses before the next Management Meeting in early April but there would be no point in going ahead if the clubs are against it. Views on here though do not always reflect the official opinions as advised by clubs through their secretaries or chairmen."

 

[duncs]

Sorry mate but I refuse to believe that any reserve team could compete with CCL1 and CCL Prem teams, you have to ask the simple question are the players good enough ?and the answer is a big fat NO,I wish people would stop believing that reserve teams are better than they actually are,Iknow a few clubs who are thinking of disbanding their ressies because they don't get the players coming through and the harsh reality is they cost to much as well.

[lazarus]

I can confirm my understanding that with reference to referees, the Suburban League has lost its supply status.  It was hoped that our Division One would gain supply status but that has not happened either.  An overall shortage of referees at level 4 is behind these changes, I believe.

 

I can also confirm that the League has not approached any reserve sides for next season with a  view to coming into Division One.  Of those clubs who responded to the letter the majority did not feel happy about it, mostly because it was felt that if a Reserve side finished in a promotion place, it would prevent a 1st Team going up from Division One.  It is likely that a rule change will be put before the clubs at the AGM, whereby, if we did have a reserve team finishing in a promotion position in future seasons, a fourth placed club (or even fifth placed if there were two reserve sides in the promotion positions) would still be able to be promoted.

 

That has still to be discussed and approved by the Rules Revision Sub-Committee but should they do so (and it is not then rejected by the FA) it would be a matter for the clubs to decide.

 

I try not to give personal views on here but, like others, I am not over happy about the possibility of reserve teams coming in to 1st Team football but given the shortage of clubs able to play at Step 6 level in our part of the world, there may be no option in future seasons.  The continual loss of clubs to higher levels, usually without anyone in return, does not help the situation.

[duncs]

Why not cut the size of the league down,the problem with a reserve team in any league is the fabric of the team it can or never should be a team to establih players if it does it has become a 1st team it is formemostly a team for 1st team players to regain fitness and also to look at youngsters coming through the system,nobody should ever be an established reserve team player it means they are simply not good enough for that club.