Points Tally & Season Appraisal

[hotspur]

Love how we are so deluded about our current manager, yet Hotspur wants to bring in Terry Brown.

To right --Terry Brown is a proven winner- and was a very good striker in his era.

[Martin]

I agree with a lot of what you say Nathan except about Steve Browne. I am not trying to use the moneybags thing as an excuse. But it is a fact of life, money talks and if you look across every division in the world the richest teams are all top or near the top. This is why this season is a disappointment as nobody has thrown ridiculous money at it. It was up for grabs and we've lacked consistency.

 

At the moment I'm on the fence about what would be for the best. Ask me at Christmas and I'll tell you for sure!

 

Adrian, I've missed that on twitter about players leaving - some turnover is always inevitable but I'd be surprised if the nucleus didn't stay.

 

Rebel and Blues, yeah essentially I would have tried to get knocked out. I said this at the games and people pointed out how difficult it was to change your mindset and that all the players have pride and want to win for themselves. I'd would be interesting to see what would have happened had we breached the rules in the league cup. Just disqualified or docked points in the league?

[readingrebel]

To right --Terry Brown is a proven winner- and was a very good striker in his era.

 

 

Apparently Terry Brown was interviewed for the Hayes and Yeading vacancy but priced himself out of the job.

 

So why would he come to Slough at step 4 for a lot less money?

[readingrebel]

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Edited April 26, 2013 by readingrebel

[hotspur]

Apparently Terry Brown was interviewed for the Hayes and Yeading vacancy but priced himself out of the job.

 

So why would he come to Slough at step 4 for a lot less money?

well if you don't ask him you'll never know !

[Nathan]

Nathan - Derek Sweetman was ( is ) a sunday morning level manager.You could have given him untold wealth to spent and we would still be in this league.It seems that to get out of these type of " minor " leagues requires a good motivator-Bateman while pretty experienced at this level does not seem to be one! Also while he was a fair center back he was more run of the mill than great! And that seems to be governing his managerial ways.

 

Hotspur, you may (or may not) be right in saying that about him. I wasn't trying to claim that he was a superb manager or that we should reappoint him or anything like that. My point was that he wasn't given anywhere near the resources or opportunities that we have given Bateman.

 

And as for appointing Terry Brown, if Hayes & Yeading can't afford his services what chance do we have? He may well be a proven winner, but by that logic we should approach Jose Mourinho when he becomes available this summer!

Edited April 26, 2013 by Nathan

[3spirit]

I'm enjoying reading this reasoned debate,about the pros and cons of Steve Bateman.

Also, on the views of whether another manager should be appointed.

For me,it's no skin off my nose,if Steve Bateman stays for another season.That's then the obligatory 5 year contract.Good by anyone's standards.

 

However,if I was the chairman,I would be having some serious doubts about the all round ability of our current manager,to deliver what he says he can do.

 

In my opinion, I would go all out for Keith Scott and team him up with Dave Woozley and Steve Perkins,as coaches.Players who carry respect and are known around the non-league scene.

I would give the same budget to the new appointee,as Steve Bateman had last season.This way not breaking the bank.

 

On the player front, a few ex Windsor players are already here.The squad doesn't need massive alterations but a new formula does need to be put in place.

 

Other possible managers for Steve's job? I think there would be no shortage of applicants.

I think Steve Cordery,Garry Haylock,Tony Choules,Danny Edwards,Steve Thompson would be worth considering, among others.

 

If Steve Bateman stays.....Que Sera,sera - what will be,will be.

 

In defence of Steve Bateman, I have enjoyed watching a lot of his team's,in the way they try to play passing football and have no doubt that is something worthy of a mention and a big credit to him.He also seems to be a good man manager and has a likeable persona.

Also losing a player of NBH's stature would have been a huge blow to any manager and must be seen as major factor in Slough's run of bad form.

 

However,I can't be all sweetness and light/positive to Steve, as I don't enjoy his incompetence with tactics, the poor use of the squad and under use of substitutes and his frankly abysmal spotting of raw talent.

He also has clear favourite players who can do no wrong, where others get blamed for the slightest thing.

 

This is my honest assessment,for what it's worth.

[Rebel Kay]

All that breaching the rule gets you is hefty fines.

[3spirit]

I'm enjoying reading this reasoned debate,about the pros and cons of Steve Bateman.

Also, on the views of whether another manager should be appointed.

For me,it's no skin off my nose,if Steve Bateman stays for another season.That's then the obligatory 5 year contract.Good by anyone's standards.

 

However,if I was the chairman,I would be having some serious doubts about the all round ability of our current manager,to deliver what he says he can do.

 

In my opinion, I would go all out for Keith Scott and team him up with Dave Woozley and Steve Perkins,as coaches.Players who carry respect and are known around the non-league scene.

I would give the same budget to the new appointee,as Steve Bateman had last season.This way not breaking the bank.

 

On the player front, a few ex Windsor players are already here.The squad doesn't need massive alterations but a new formula does need to be put in place.

 

Other possible managers for Steve's job? I think there would be no shortage of applicants.

I think Steve Cordery,Garry Haylock,Tony Choules,Danny Edwards,Steve Thompson would be worth considering, among others.

 

If Steve Bateman stays.....Que Sera,sera - what will be,will be.

 

In defence of Steve Bateman, I have enjoyed watching a lot of his team's,in the way they try to play passing football and have no doubt that is something worthy of a mention and a big credit to him.He also seems to be a good man manager and has a likeable persona.

Also losing a player of NBH's stature would have been a huge blow to any manager and must be seen as major factor in Slough's run of bad form.

 

However,I can't be all sweetness and light/positive to Steve, as I don't enjoy his incompetence with tactics, the poor use of the squad and under use of substitutes and his frankly abysmal spotting of raw talent.

He also has clear favourite players who can do no wrong, where others get blamed for the slightest thing.

 

This is my honest assessment,for what it's worth.

 

Now that Farnborough look like they are in the s**t, Spencer Day might be another good manager to consider.

 

Funny enough,always think of Farnborough as being like Slough or vice versa.Crowds in the conference were roughly the same and they've had lots of ups and downs. I hope they come out of administration, stronger and better for it.They're too good a non-league name to lose.

Edited April 26, 2013 by 3spirit

[readingrebel]

Now that Farnborough look like they are in the s**t, Spencer Day might be another good manager to consider.

 

Funny enough,always think of Farnborough as being like Slough or vice versa.Crowds in the conference were roughly the same and they've had lots of ups and downs. I hope they come out of administration, stronger and better for it.They're too good a non-league name to lose.

 

 

Another club that has spent beyond it's means just to get higher in the pyramid?

 

In which case should we have sympathy for them?

[readingrebel]

I was also going to wait until the season was actually over before posting but as our season effectively finished during this week...........

 

Dont envy either of the Steves their positions at present but still have the same thoughts as many others at present and would add just a couple of points.

 

What is the role of a manager especially at our level ?I would suggest it is firstly to put together a squad he believes can win the league -then on a regular basis to choose a team to do a particular job having regard to the match in question- then to decide during that match what changes are necessary to affect the outcome positively- and during all these activities to motivate and encourage the group collectively and individually.I would suggest that our manager has succeeded in the first of these and maybe partially in the second, but has failed in the other aspects.I actually firmly believe he will leave of his own volition as he will know that this seasons league position represents failure by his own definition earlier.

 

Regarding the FA Cup run, those that know me will remember that I always said that we should not care about this too much as there is never of chance of winning it and it becomes an interference to other endeavours that truly have more importance- so far as the money is concerned, feelings may have been better had we seen the use of it result in acquisitions that may have changed our season.

 

So as to next year......the support will clearly remain, at least initially the ground issues will remain and we assume that the chairman will remain.I also hope most of the players will stay also. The chairman may have the tough job of choosing a new manager to fulfil the hopes that always come with the start of a new season and a few names have been mentioned so whoever gets the job knows he will have a group of passionate supporters that will give him every chance as they hav.e with the current boss

 

 

My concern is that if 'most of the players stay' will it be same old same old next season?

 

If not, how can we turn that undoubted talent into a team good enough to win the league?

[Edinburgh Rebel]

I'll offer my thoughts on the season though I've only been to the two Mansfield games. I actually might be moving to London and if I do I'll try to make more games (won't be easy getting back to Hearts games...)

 

The cup run was a boost and it was great to be able to see Slough make the first round again. I'd planned to go to a Slough game the next time we made the first round so it was a good opportunity to go. Taking a team who ended up finishing first in the Conference is an amazing achievement and won't be forgotten.

 

Overall, though, I think that promotion has got to be the main aim (other than a new ground, of course). There is a danger that remaining at this level for a few more seasons will reduce expectations and attendances even further. I think that everyone would agree that, historically, Slough should be playing at least one level higher than they are currently at. I think that the aim has to be promotion and that anything other than that is a failure. In the current circumstances, at least. That doesn't mean that every manager who doesn't gain promotion is sacked but you have to keep the expectation at promotion IMO.

 

I can't comment on the current manager or performances obviously but hopefully next season will be an improvement in terms of league position. The FA Cup run might have damaged the chances of promotion but it isn't as simple as saying "prioritise the league". You have to go out and try to win in the FA Cup and runs like this season's one are obviously rare. Also, promotion would mean one less qualifying round to win and more chance of future first round appearances.

 

On Hearts, one of the worst seasons in my lifetime in terms of league position and financially it has been very difficult. I didn't miss a home game for years but ended up missing some this season because I'm in my final year at uni and staying in Glasgow. Just happy we have survived. The Anfield game was the highlight of the season and that goal will live long in the memory. Talk of a fan's ownership-type model like Wimbledon have but we'll see what happens. If I move to London then I'd probably still try to go back for the derbies and certainly the cup finals (hopefully there will be another one soon).

[grandad]

Hope the comments on Spencer Day were in jest! He has splashed the cash allegedly at all clubs he has been with, most of it his own too. Under a previous name was connected to the old Aldershot. We do not need to go down that route.

[rebelade]

Personally I think the Chairman has a huge decision to make during the summer.

If it was me I'd carry on with Steve B for next season but playing at WINDSOR.

No disrespect to the people at beaconsfield but we seem to be spending money on that pitch when Windsor have a pitch in great condition, and the style of play Steve plays would be suited to that ground. It may not be the change most on this forum want but give him one season there and see what happens

[Cookham Rebel]

Move to Windsor and its a squad re-build!

 

Most of the current players probably only play for Slough due how close we currently play to the M25! I remember Steve Bateman saying something along these lines during his first full season I think!

[readingrebel]

Move to Windsor and its a squad re-build!

 

Most of the current players probably only play for Slough due how close we currently play to the M25! I remember Steve Bateman saying something along these lines during his first full season I think!

 

 

CR,

 

I've just counted only 4 regular players from the squad who don't live relatively close to the area.

[3spirit]

Hope the comments on Spencer Day were in jest! He has splashed the cash allegedly at all clubs he has been with, most of it his own too. Under a previous name was connected to the old Aldershot. We do not need to go down that route.

 

I don't mean him as chairman! Although,he may stump up a bit of cash to buy a good player or two,if he were our manager!

 

You can't blame Spencer Day for Farnborough's administration,as they had huge debts before he got there.

I just happen to like the football his teams try to play and he has a good eye for spotting a player.He took Chertsey up and has the experience of leading Farnborough, playing at a higher level than Slough, so this is the sort of manager we should be approaching, if the club decide a new man at the helm is needed.

[BFR]

How does a club that has only been in existence 6 years rack up debts of 2 million? Whether just the manager or not, I'd sooner have Peter Simpson/Gordon Brown in charge of club finances than have Spencer Day anywhere near our club

[Mark44]

Agree. Spencer day would be a terrible choice.

 

Prob cost as much as terry brown also

[3spirit]

My concern is that if 'most of the players stay' will it be same old same old next season?

 

If not, how can we turn that undoubted talent into a team good enough to win the league?

 

I think Steve Bateman needs to bring in a centre back with the guile and stature of an NBH. There's no doubt in my mind,that having the formidable size of NBH and Alex Brown in the backline, somewhat daunted the opposition attack and led to the amount of clean sheets we kept.

 

We also need to address the left wing and need another striker to complement the three Slough already have.I hope Ed Smith stays,as I think he is a quality hold up play/link man and such a intelligent player on the field.

Do you know,Reading Rebel if Ed has played at a higher level?

 

With Kyle Anthony,another year older and getting better by every game, I think with his speed and mobilty he should be playing regular in midfield.The problem seems to be getting his talent out on the field,as in some of the games this season,he has gone missing and been out of position.He actually looked better in defence.

 

As with all Steve Bateman's teams,the centre midfield never seems to function as well as it should/could. We always seem to get the one player who plays excellent ie Paul Coyne, Adam Martin, Dave Deeney but never do they play well as a unit.I often wonder if Steve just says to his players 'do what you like' as central players as they often appear aimless and get caught out of their positions on numerous occasions.

Slough need a team within a team in midfield, not the 'superstar' mentality we seem to get every season under SB.

Edited April 27, 2013 by 3spirit