Ground Share Rules Please..

[Canary Tom]

As a Canary fans (Hitchin Town) what are the rules around ground sharing: Baldock have played at Top Field this season but have also played 25% of their league games at the 3rd gen Arena and I see London Lions have also played games back at their Arkley Road ground.

1. Do they need to complete all leagues games at the designated Step 5 or 6 ground to gain promotion or continue in the League or just a %

2. Can Cup games be played away from for example Top field or Hemel......

[Karen Browne]

As far as I am aware London Lions have only used Hemel Hempstead FC this season when the game required floodlights or if their Rowley Lane ground did not meet the cup competitions requirements.

 

I would think that should London Lions be promoted this season then they would be required to ensure their Rowley Lane ground meets all requirements or agree a groundshare with Hemel Hempstead Town (or someone similar) for the whole season.

Edited April 9, 2013 by Karen Browne

[Canary Tom]

Hi Karen Thanks but what about Baldock using our pitch, are their any rules about Ground sharng prior to entering SSML and could they still play games at the 3rd Gen arena, because with the curent weather I'm not sure HTFC would welcome another 25 games at Top Field, (although the money would be good)

[Rhodes]

Canary Tom – You should have addressed your query to Kentish Town rather than Karen, they’re the SSML experts on groundshares.

[Karen Browne]

Canary Tom – You should have addressed your query to Kentish Town rather than Karen,

 

Please enlighten us - Where in the original posting was it addressed to me

[Rhodes]

Karen - Yes, I stand corrected but you replied after eight minutes didn't you, do you just sit at home on the Forum all day long out of interest

[Canary Tom]

Please enlighten us - Where in the original posting was it addressed to me

 

Not assigned to anyone just looking for an answer to an issued being raised at our club, maybe Mr Rhodes could ask Kentish on my behalf ?

[Karen Browne]

I'm afraid Mr Rhodes has been banished to the pit of despair by Kentish Town and a host of other SSML clubs

[Canary Tom]

1. So are their any rules about clubs who wish to enter the League who ground share to achive the correct ground grading but don't play all their games their.
   
2. But once in the League is it possible to play some games (eg cup) away from the ground sharing ground.
   

[Karen Browne]

Can't find ant references with regards cup-ties (I would presume these would be down to the club's individual league committees)

 

A GRADING:

(a) Ground sharing is permitted, but not in order to gain promotion or to avoid relegation. A ground sharing agreement should ideally have been in place for at least one full season prior to the grading inspection. (Consideration will be given, by the Football Conference Board, if the home ground of any club becomes untenable due to fire, flood or any other valid cause.)

( The Football Conference Board must approve any existing ground share agreement.

© The Football Conference Board will not generally approve any ground sharing arrangement where the club plays its matches outside the conurbation, as defined by the Football Conference Board, from which the club takes its name or with which it is traditionally otherwise associated (d) Where there is a ground share between two football clubs, priority of fixtures must be given to the club playing at the highest level within the National League System. Any proposed ground share agreement with a Football League club would be considered on its merits.

(e) Where a ground share is in place with another sport e.g. Athletics, Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League etc, the football club must have priority of fixtures and full use of all the facilities on match days.

(f) No application for a ground share agreement will be accepted during the first three years of a club being elected into membership of the Football Conference, unless the conditions of paragraph 1.2 i) apply

(g) Any ground share application by a member club that does not fall within the conditions of paragraph 2 i) must be for a minimum of ten years with no option to amend the terms during the first three years of a ground share approved by the Football Conference Board.

(h) No application will be accepted from a club applying for membership of the Football Conference who is in a ground share arrangement as a sub-tenant or second user or similar arrangements where the club is not the leaseholder, own the freehold, or license agreement holder or main tenant.

(i) Short term ground sharing agreements will only be accepted if a club is moving to a new ground or their existing ground is being re-built or refurbished or deemed unusable due to fire, flood or other causes. The club must provide the Football Conference Board with confirmation that any new work proposed has full planning permission, that construction contracts with start and finish dates have been awarded subject to ground sharing approval and that the fundingis in place.

For avoidance of doubt, the term “short term” refers to a period of not more than 12 months unless otherwise approved by the Football Conference Board.

B to G GRADINGS:

Ground sharing is permitted, but not in order to gain promotion or to avoid relegation. A ground sharing agreement should ideally have been in place for at least one full season prior to the grading inspection.

Where there is a ground share between two football clubs, priority of fixtures will be given to the club playing at the higher level within the National League System unless otherwise approved by the respective leagues.

Where a ground share is in place with another sport e.g. Athletics, Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League etc, the club must have full use of all facilities on match days.

[Karen Browne]

Karen - Yes, I stand corrected but you replied after eight minutes didn't you, do you just sit at home on the Forum all day long out of interest

 

No, I am currently sitting at home compiling the 9th and 10th of 25 Cup Final programmes. I am logged into the forum to which I check occasionally and try to assist with any querries

[nellie]

Canary Tom – You should have addressed your query to Kentish Town rather than Karen, they’re the SSML experts on groundshares.

[Canary Tom]

• Thanks so it seems that you can put a ground share in place the season prior to your promotion but don't nessassarly have to complete all your games their. As stated the senior club has priority so you could revert to your original ground which may not meet ground grading standards.
  
• Good news for us as I would think Top Field might not be able to handle Hitchin, Baldock and 2 Luton youth sides all in the same season
  

[nellie]

Mr Rhodes you appear to still be unhappy with KTFC I will be at the home match tonight and thursday night would you care to come and join me in the Clubhouse so we can can have a discussion?

[Savagebee]

Canary Tom – You should have addressed your query to Kentish Town rather than Karen, they’re the SSML experts on groundshares.

 

 

do you just sit at home on the Forum all day long out of interest

 

Rhodes you have made 31,421 posts!

[lee bearman]

So ground sharing is permitted but not in order to gain promotion.So am i right that london lions wont be going anywhere then they dont have lights and the ground inspection deadline has passed.Maybe roger can finally back door Hoddesdon up.

[Rhodes]

And as for Rhodes he is what he is and that will never change all I know is that he will NEVER be allowed to watch one of our homes matches for as long as the present committee reign.

Nellie – Thanks for the kind offer but you don’t appear to have seen the above post

[paddywack]

Nice one lee it getting to that time again

[nellie]

I invited you to the clubhouse not the match and that offer still stands. So will you be there?

[you aint got a castle]

Can't find ant references with regards cup-ties (I would presume these would be down to the club's individual league committees)

 

A GRADING:

(a) Ground sharing is permitted, but not in order to gain promotion or to avoid relegation. A ground sharing agreement should ideally have been in place for at least one full season prior to the grading inspection. (Consideration will be given, by the Football Conference Board, if the home ground of any club becomes untenable due to fire, flood or any other valid cause.)

( The Football Conference Board must approve any existing ground share agreement.

© The Football Conference Board will not generally approve any ground sharing arrangement where the club plays its matches outside the conurbation, as defined by the Football Conference Board, from which the club takes its name or with which it is traditionally otherwise associated (d) Where there is a ground share between two football clubs, priority of fixtures must be given to the club playing at the highest level within the National League System. Any proposed ground share agreement with a Football League club would be considered on its merits.

(e) Where a ground share is in place with another sport e.g. Athletics, Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League etc, the football club must have priority of fixtures and full use of all the facilities on match days.

(f) No application for a ground share agreement will be accepted during the first three years of a club being elected into membership of the Football Conference, unless the conditions of paragraph 1.2 i) apply

(g) Any ground share application by a member club that does not fall within the conditions of paragraph 2 i) must be for a minimum of ten years with no option to amend the terms during the first three years of a ground share approved by the Football Conference Board.

(h) No application will be accepted from a club applying for membership of the Football Conference who is in a ground share arrangement as a sub-tenant or second user or similar arrangements where the club is not the leaseholder, own the freehold, or license agreement holder or main tenant.

(i) Short term ground sharing agreements will only be accepted if a club is moving to a new ground or their existing ground is being re-built or refurbished or deemed unusable due to fire, flood or other causes. The club must provide the Football Conference Board with confirmation that any new work proposed has full planning permission, that construction contracts with start and finish dates have been awarded subject to ground sharing approval and that the fundingis in place.

For avoidance of doubt, the term “short term” refers to a period of not more than 12 months unless otherwise approved by the Football Conference Board.

B to G GRADINGS:

Ground sharing is permitted, but not in order to gain promotion or to avoid relegation. A ground sharing agreement should ideally have been in place for at least one full season prior to the grading inspection.

Where there is a ground share between two football clubs, priority of fixtures will be given to the club playing at the higher level within the National League System unless otherwise approved by the respective leagues.

Where a ground share is in place with another sport e.g. Athletics, Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League etc, the club must have full use of all facilities on match days.

 

Does the last bit of this not apply to all SSMFL clubs then?