Some Perspective

[PremiershipJoyRider]

A brilliant quote. Let's hope a few snipers read it, digest it and understand it.

[3spirit]

THE MAN IN THE ARENA

 

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

 

Theodore Roosevelt

 

Brilliant quote,Rebel Kay,so you've proved you're an erudite.Do you think he was thinking of football when he said it ? !

 

Here's one for you:-

 

'' As we know,there are known knowns.There are things we know we know.We also know there are known unknowns.That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.''

 

Donald Rumsfeld,United States Defence Secretary, quoting about the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq !

 

 

What I don't get, is that if a forum only has one way views favouring whoever,then how can this website be called a forum?

 

A forum is supposed to be about free speech and hearing everyone's point of view,regardless of whether it's seen as positive or negative.

 

I thought, maybe wrongly it appears, that this unofficial Slough Town FC forum was for ALL fans of the club and for them to have a voice regarding Slough Town FC matters.

 

If we are not allowed at honest opinion,then there's little point having a forum.

[C'est la vie]

Bloody hell, how has it come to all this!!!! In layman's terms, Bateman ain't good enough and neither is his squad.

[epicrebel]

3spirit

My point exactly when ever someone comes on here to give a positive point of view they are shot down, and they have to toe the line of the negative or get attacked.

I know some Slough supporters that used to use this forum often but now don't because of the attacks on them when they did. Haven't you noticed it's only a hand full of people that use this forum now.

Yes this forum is for open discussions but sometimes it has a negative response ie http://www.nonleague...fc-return-home/ so one slough fans point of view has cost us and when that gets around even more.

At the moment so to please a handful of supporters that doesn't show the true thoughts of ( at the moment ) the other 250ish supporters at games this is helping the club how. And how do we know that ALL of the forum supporters are in fact Slough Supporters at all.

All I'm asking is post yes but think what effect it'll have on the club first.

[readingrebel]

3spirit

My point exactly when ever someone comes on here to give a positive point of view they are shot down, and they have to toe the line of the negative or get attacked.

I know some Slough supporters that used to use this forum often but now don't because of the attacks on them when they did. Haven't you noticed it's only a hand full of people that use this forum now.

Yes this forum is for open discussions but sometimes it has a negative response ie http://www.nonleague...fc-return-home/ so one slough fans point of view has cost us and when that gets around even more.

At the moment so to please a handful of supporters that doesn't show the true thoughts of ( at the moment ) the other 250ish supporters at games this is helping the club how. And how do we know that ALL of the forum supporters are in fact Slough Supporters at all.

All I'm asking is post yes but think what effect it'll have on the club first.

 

 

Mark,

 

I think you also know that both positive and negative posts have been as you put it 'shot down' and 'attacked' for having an opinion.

 

People have also left forums for giving honest opinions which have been deemed to be negative and been 'shot down' for saying them.

 

The 'Slough fans' point of view was a player not a fan which has been nicely highlighted again.

Edited April 13, 2013 by readingrebel

[Slough Match Sec]

The positives are fighting back ...............lol come on you positives.

[Sir Rebel1965]

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[hotspur]

THE MAN IN THE ARENA

 

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

 

Theodore Roosevelt

 

If only that quote applied to our team-" daring greatly !" me thinks not-" high achievement ! still waiting.-- " strives valiantly ", apart from the Mansfield games WHEN ?

We don't need quotes from Americans to work out where its all gone wrong.

There is an old English saying you lot might ponder over-" WE CANNOT SEE THE WOOD FOR THE TREES "

[michaelSTFC]

We have quite a few choice words for you, too, Hotspur.

 

Feel free to introduce yourself to Steve Easterbrook, or any other fan at the ground, and let him know exactly how everything should be done.

[3spirit]

We have quite a few choice words for you, too, Hotspur.

 

Feel free to introduce yourself to Steve Easterbrook, or any other fan at the ground, and let him know exactly how everything should be done.

 

Strange comment,Michael STFC?

 

I think on this topic Hotspur has got a valid point and he's made it very eloquently.

 

Also whatever you think of Hotspur,it's easy to be wise after the event but Hotspur gave his opinion early, that he didn't believe Slough would be promoted and it looks very likely that his prediction is going to prove correct.

Edited April 14, 2013 by 3spirit

[Cornish Rebel]

Everyone seems to knock hotspur and slag him off but reading his posts I see a supporter who's trying to tell it like it is and not some biased opinion of a deluded supporter. Things have not gone right for slough this year again and although excuses have been brought up for losing most games it seems to me that this is all they are ....excuses .end of the day the team were not good enough most of the time and I don't think bigging up mediocre players and slagging off other teams,slagging off this 'pony' league as some people have said and generally feeling sorry for ourselves has done us any favours.Anyhow all is not lost.....take stock of where we are ,finish off the season strongly and then look forward to another assault on the league next season ,maybe with a new ground in sight,some fresh playing staff and who knows maybe a few up and coming reserve players.

[HorshamRebel]

I don't think most people on here are knocking him for his views, they are knocking him for the additional, unwanted and un-needed personal "attacks" that he adds on to those views.

 

A really good debate can be completely ruined by an additional swipe at others, by whoever does it. The other people are then automatically put in a bad mood and only see the swipe and basically ignores any of the comments made, be they good or bad

[Edinburgh Rebel]

I don't think most people on here are knocking him for his views, they are knocking him for the additional, unwanted and un-needed personal "attacks" that he adds on to those views.

 

A really good debate can be completely ruined by an additional swipe at others, by whoever does it. The other people are then automatically put in a bad mood and only see the swipe and basically ignores any of the comments made, be they good or bad

 

Yes, definitely this. People can be negative and accepted on a forum but hotspur does far more than simply be negative. There's a reason he isn't popular with some people on here and it is not purely down to him being negative about Slough.

[hotspur]

Yes, definitely this. People can be negative and accepted on a forum but hotspur does far more than simply be negative. There's a reason he isn't popular with some people on here and it is not purely down to him being negative about Slough.

Yes those people who may have been subject to my barbs-have annoyed me with their lack of football knowledge and their childish attitude-those like cookham and clive t and stains stc.

[staines_rebel_Jr]

hotspur can you please be our manager next season.

[Cookham Rebel]

 

Yes those people who may have been subject to my barbs-have annoyed me with their lack of football knowledge and their childish attitude-those like cookham and clive t and stains stc.

 

Hotspur - Would you like to meet?

 

I'd like to discuss my supposed lack of football knowledge and childish attitude with you! See its kind of a two way street, I thought those things about you but would never have posted that until your latest personal attack.

[hotspur]

Hotspur - Would you like to meet?

 

I'd like to discuss my supposed lack of football knowledge and childish attitude with you! See its kind of a two way street, I thought those things about you but would never have posted that until your latest personal attack.

Excuse me but you have knocked back what I have said before with silly comments-bit like that mail above yours from staines-yet sadly for the teams sake and us loyal fans I was proved right-I guess thats what irks you lot.-still if you catch up with that Ian chap the club should be £100 better off !!! as I have said the club can have it.

[Sir Rebel1965]

Hotspur dont you personally want to see it handed over?

[staines_rebel_Jr]

I was being serious.

[3spirit]

3spirit

My point exactly when ever someone comes on here to give a positive point of view they are shot down, and they have to toe the line of the negative or get attacked.

I know some Slough supporters that used to use this forum often but now don't because of the attacks on them when they did. Haven't you noticed it's only a hand full of people that use this forum now.

Yes this forum is for open discussions but sometimes it has a negative response ie http://www.nonleague...fc-return-home/ so one slough fans point of view has cost us and when that gets around even more.

At the moment so to please a handful of supporters that doesn't show the true thoughts of ( at the moment ) the other 250ish supporters at games this is helping the club how. And how do we know that ALL of the forum supporters are in fact Slough Supporters at all.

All I'm asking is post yes but think what effect it'll have on the club first.

 

I agree with you,Epic Rebel,to the fact about being tactful when you put a message up,in case it damages the club but it's a very fine line and balancing act, not to upset someone,when you give an opinion on anything.

 

Some views are not as negative,as others perceive, it's just a matter of interpretation.

 

There's no way that I want to knock the endeavours of the stalwarts and volunteers of the club ie Brighton Rebel,Horsham Rebel,Rebel Kay,Sue,Gary STFC etc, as I greatly appreciate all their sterling work and efforts they do for the club. However,I know I will on the odd occasion because my point of view won't always tally with those close to the club.I mean no malice.

 

What does seem rather daft,though,in my opinion,is when people take umbrage at a person's point of view and act like school prefects on this forum.

All supporters should be allowed to share their opinion,regardless,as long as it adheres to the message board rules.

Edited April 14, 2013 by 3spirit