Saturday 9th March fixtures etc

[tonydk]

on behalf of Ascot Utd, glad you came and enjoyed the game. As you say, apart from the 1st 10 mins Shildon were the best side and deserved to go through to the semi finals 1-4. You should have shouted hello, i was the one walking around with fork on the pitch..which i was really pleased with how it looked and played after the rain on thursday evening and friday.

[In The Know]

Well done on the pitch, thought it looked excellent and stood up well. Saw ex-Aldershot Town & AFC Wimbledon boss, Terry Brown and had a chat with him.. Regardless of the result, you have to be proud of your achievements in the competition and it has certainly put your club on the map locally. Have asked your club for a pre-season friendly with my club Badshot Lea, so hopefully see you then.

[BAD GUY]

Well done on the pitch, thought it looked excellent and stood up well. Saw ex-Aldershot Town & AFC Wimbledon boss, Terry Brown and had a chat with him.. Regardless of the result, you have to be proud of your achievements in the competition and it has certainly put your club on the map locally. Have asked your club for a pre-season friendly with my club Badshot Lea, so hopefully see you then.

 

Had a chat with Terry Brown eh.......watch out Sparky........ LOL !!!

[E&E Rich]

Getting only 1 point from last 3 games after winning steak, we're not hearing much from E&E Fred now....... ? Like others there's bound to be excuses (ie) injury,, players missing/unavailable, suspended ......like most other teams have as well !!!

 

 

You obviously won't be hearing me going on about a winning run as there isn't one to talk about. I've been on here just as much though and was the first to give my thoughts on the recent performances. Also, as you should know by now I will tell it as it is. When we are good I'll say so, and when we are bad........

 

Against Windsor we were extremely unfortunate, (but I'll admit we had some late winners before that, so swings and roundabouts etc.) against Cove the draw was a fair result, and against HW we were flat, really flat,

 

That is taking nothing away from Hartley and indeed I told them on their twitter feed that they fully deserved their win. What concerned me most was in two other areas.

 

1) The opposition appeared much, much more up for it than we were, which leads me to the second point that might explain it.

 

2) What do our Management team know? Do they think that only one team goes up and therefore the season is over? Certainly no one on our Committee would know this either as I was the only one that really looked at the stats.

 

It's not rocket science to suggest that it's very unlikely that anyone will catch Egham now and I got the impression that with exception of Mark Jarman who always puts in a great shift, we were playing as if the season was over. If that is the case, the Management are the ones at fault. To use injuries as an excuse is also not good enough when considering that we had seven days to prepare for this game while Hartley played two matches against Raynes Park and South Park on heavy pitches. They are a decent side that play the exact way that gives us real trouble, but they are not exactly table toppers and Egham will probably illustrate that fact on Tuesday. If we want to go up we have to beat teams lower down the table, regardless of whether they are in a bit of good form or not.

 

It's clear that Lyndon is a decent manager and he has a good staff behind him, but none of them really look at the stats or the facts which are equally important at this stage of the season. The facts remain that Guernsey have a mass of games to play and will have to use reserves quite frequently. Therefore second place is still very much up for grabs between ourselves, Guernsey, South Park and I have to admit Cove now too. A win at Molesey on Saturday followed by a win over Guernsey at home next Tuesday would in my opinion install us as favourites for the second spot, especially as Guernsey now have three other matches to fit in to April/May to accommodate the Vase Semi-Finals.

 

However, it certainly appeared on Saturday as if the team thought the season was over and if it is down to lack of knowledge of the situation around us, then that is a criminal waste of our club's funds. Another performance like that at Molesey on Saturday and it certainly will be over.

[Windsor_Sec]

I suppose Windsor had players missing too is that right Rother/Windsor Sec. ?

 

He's back again, Nice Guy/Bad Guy/aka Tommy Knocker who only comes on when certain teams lose, or is his absence down to injury ?

Perhaps a recurring wrist problem !

[bomaya]

on behalf of Ascot Utd, glad you came and enjoyed the game. As you say, apart from the 1st 10 mins Shildon were the best side and deserved to go through to the semi finals 1-4. You should have shouted hello, i was the one walking around with fork on the pitch..which i was really pleased with how it looked and played after the rain on thursday evening and friday.

 

Yeah you did a good job on the pitch Tony. I would have said hello but wasn't sure you'd remember me from the Suburban League meetings. Lovely little club you have there.

[bomaya]

Well done on the pitch, thought it looked excellent and stood up well. Saw ex-Aldershot Town & AFC Wimbledon boss, Terry Brown and had a chat with him..

 

Yeah, I mentioned to TRS that he was there. I overheard him talking about still having the record win at New Wembley with Wimbledon's 8-1 win over Cor-Cas.

[bomaya]

 

It's clear that Lyndon is a decent manager and he has a good staff behind him, but none of them really look at the stats or the facts which are equally important at this stage of the season. The facts remain that Guernsey have a mass of games to play and will have to use reserves quite frequently. Therefore second place is still very much up for grabs between ourselves, Guernsey, South Park and I have to admit Cove now too. A win at Molesey on Saturday followed by a win over Guernsey at home next Tuesday would in my opinion install us as favourites for the second spot, especially as Guernsey now have three other matches to fit in to April/May to accommodate the Vase Semi-Finals.

 

And if Cove finish second then third place will be important. A decent ppg in third place would still be enough to send one of you up.

[BAD GUY]

He's back again, Nice Guy/Bad Guy/aka Tommy Knocker who only comes on when certain teams lose, or is his absence down to injury ?

Perhaps a recurring wrist problem !

 

Nope just Bad Guy I'm afraid WS. Well I'm always waiting for Windsors excuses for losing as they normally do .

 

Anyway the reason in fairness, and its not just Windsor FACT, that when teams lose there's always an excuse Horley are reknowned for it ! Now this may well be true but EVERY club has the problems of injuries, unavailablility, suspensions etc.,, it just whinds me up that excuses are given, what if that same team who lost the previous game, wins the next game nothing is said.......maybe a bit detrimental to the players that played ? Thats all I'm saying, maybe just maybe the opposing team were better on the day !

[E&E Rich]

I actually agree with Bad Guy.

 

It must be expected that you won't always get clubs being totally honest with excuses as they may want to keep some of that information away from rival clubs, so I can see why they do it. However, after a while the same old excuses do run thin.

 

Like many others we do have a few injuries to some regular starters right now (and the club can't criticise me for advising that as another supporter has already said that earlier in the thread), although we've been fairly fortunate this season up to the last few weeks with just two season ending injuries to our players going into February. Also, suspensions are way down on previous seasons. Hopefully the spare midweeks we have now will enable some of our players to recover. If we remember that we still have something to play for we can still finish strongly.

 

Saturday's performance concerned me that on May the 5th we will just be invited guests at Guernsey's promotion party, but if we can get back to producing some positive results, then that game might even have something riding on it.

 

Forgot about third bomaya, thanks.

[Windsor_Sec]

Or maybe if you read my posts you'll see I give reasons not excuses. For example when we lost to Molesey recently we had one regular player in the back four and he went off injured very early so you don't expect a back four who've never played together to be an effective unit straight away ? Saturday against Hanworth we were exposed in a certain way - that's a reason not an excuse and all credit to Hanworth for recognising that weakness on the day! When we won at Epsom recently it was because we scored when Epsom couldn't - reason not excuse ! Were we better or worse than any of these three sides I've mentioned, in some areas yes in others no - a reason not an excuse !

I have no place for excuses but I do feel that if you can recognise reasons for something happening you're on the way to preventing it from happening again so I'm fairly certain the area of shortfall on Saturday will not be repeated in forthcoming games whereas a repeat of the Molesey situation is something you learn from but can't necessarily do anything about as it was simply down to lack of personnel on the day !

[Green_Fingers]

Nope just Bad Guy I'm afraid WS. Well I'm always waiting for Windsors excuses for losing as they normally do .

 

Anyway the reason in fairness, and its not just Windsor FACT, that when teams lose there's always an excuse Horley are reknowned for it ! Now this may well be true but EVERY club has the problems of injuries, unavailablility, suspensions etc.,, it just whinds me up that excuses are given, what if that same team who lost the previous game, wins the next game nothing is said.......maybe a bit detrimental to the players that played ? Thats all I'm saying, maybe just maybe the opposing team were better on the day !

 

Bad Guy you need to stop copying Nice Guys spelling errors - there's no "H" in wind up

[BAD GUY]

Bad Guy you need to stop copying Nice Guys spelling errors - there's no "H" in wind up

 

Phew, so I'm not the only person who makes spelling mistakes. If I pointed that out every spelling error on this forum I'll be highlighting errors all day long..... thanks for the education lesson GF .......watch your posts from now on lol l

Edited March 11, 2013 by BAD GUY

[Green_Fingers]

And if Cove finish second then third place will be important. A decent ppg in third place would still be enough to send one of you up.

 

I'm not sure it would Bom. My view is they will use the best 2nd placed teams from the southern based leagues before they start looking at 3rd placed teams. They are unlikely to promote a 3rd placed team over a 2nd placed team even if their ppg is better. It would be good to get clarity though if anyone is able to advise?

Edited March 11, 2013 by Green_Fingers

[bomaya]

I'm not sure it would Bom. I believe they will use the 7 best 2nd placed teams from the southern based leagues before they start looking at 3rd placed teams. They are unlikely to promote a 3rd placed team over a 2nd placed team even if their ppg is better

 

Well that is the big question GF and one that's yet to be answered. I find it strange that they would allow down to third place to go up IF they were going to allow any second placed teams up before them regardless of ppg. As I said elsewhere (cough) we could have teams in third with better ppg than some first place teams elsewhere (Essex league was the worst when I last checked).

[Green_Fingers]

Well that is the big question GF and one that's yet to be answered. I find it strange that they would allow down to third place to go up IF they were going to allow any second placed teams up before them regardless of ppg. As I said elsewhere (cough) we could have teams in third with better ppg than some first place teams elsewhere (Essex league was the worst when I last checked).

 

The quote from Mike Appleby was:

 

"The FA will take no more than two promoted clubs from these divisions and it will be decided on position and points per game basis. The FA will only take one promoted club from the other nine leagues."

 

I believe position will outrank ppg based on that statement

[bomaya]

Seems very odd if that is the case. The whole point of ppg is that it evens out different sides leagues. The Kent league for example has 16 teams unlike the CCL with its 22. It's surely far harder to finish third in the CCL than it is the Kent League and ppg takes that into account.

[Green_Fingers]

Seems very odd if that is the case. The whole point of ppg is that it evens out different sides leagues. The Kent league for example has 16 teams unlike the CCL with its 22. It's surely far harder to finish third in the CCL than it is the Kent League and ppg takes that into account.

 

We can but wait & see. How does it work at the other end of tables - would they reprieve a bottom club with a better ppg record than a 2nd bottom club from another league, or does position dictate?

[E&E Rich]

To answer that last one, I think they used position first when Leatherhead went down recently, and also for Whyteleafe, so they put all the bottom clubs in one group and went through their ppg first before going to the second from bottom teams.

 

Of course the one difference with our scenario is that all the Step 3 and 4 leagues were of the same size whereas we have quite a disparity across Step 5. However, I reckon they'll do it the same way because they are at least being consistent. Imagine the outcry and inevitable appeal should a second placed club lose out to a third placed one.

[frustin]

 

 

You obviously won't be hearing me going on about a winning run as there isn't one to talk about. I've been on here just as much though and was the first to give my thoughts on the recent performances. Also, as you should know by now I will tell it as it is. When we are good I'll say so, and when we are bad........

 

Against Windsor we were extremely unfortunate, (but I'll admit we had some late winners before that, so swings and roundabouts etc.) against Cove the draw was a fair result, and against HW we were flat, really flat,

 

That is taking nothing away from Hartley and indeed I told them on their twitter feed that they fully deserved their win. What concerned me most was in two other areas.

 

1) The opposition appeared much, much more up for it than we were, which leads me to the second point that might explain it.

 

2) What do our Management team know? Do they think that only one team goes up and therefore the season is over? Certainly no one on our Committee would know this either as I was the only one that really looked at the stats.

 

It's not rocket science to suggest that it's very unlikely that anyone will catch Egham now and I got the impression that with exception of Mark Jarman who always puts in a great shift, we were playing as if the season was over. If that is the case, the Management are the ones at fault. To use injuries as an excuse is also not good enough when considering that we had seven days to prepare for this game while Hartley played two matches against Raynes Park and South Park on heavy pitches. They are a decent side that play the exact way that gives us real trouble, but they are not exactly table toppers and Egham will probably illustrate that fact on Tuesday. If we want to go up we have to beat teams lower down the table, regardless of whether they are in a bit of good form or not.

 

It's clear that Lyndon is a decent manager and he has a good staff behind him, but none of them really look at the stats or the facts which are equally important at this stage of the season. The facts remain that Guernsey have a mass of games to play and will have to use reserves quite frequently. Therefore second place is still very much up for grabs between ourselves, Guernsey, South Park and I have to admit Cove now too. A win at Molesey on Saturday followed by a win over Guernsey at home next Tuesday would in my opinion install us as favourites for the second spot, especially as Guernsey now have three other matches to fit in to April/May to accommodate the Vase Semi-Finals.

 

However, it certainly appeared on Saturday as if the team thought the season was over and if it is down to lack of knowledge of the situation around us, then that is a criminal waste of our club's funds. Another performance like that at Molesey on Saturday and it certainly will be over.

 

I think Lyndon being classed as a good manager is very debatable as the way he conducts his business isn't always in line with the rules.

 

His team are doing well this season and playing some nice football but he has been manager of Epsom for quite a few seasons now and dellivered nothing at all.

 

Plus the money is starting to run out from the sale of their ground.

 

I would be very surprised if they gain promotion.