V Daventry

[3spirit]

We can blame the clueless officials all day long but the real reason why we only managed to scrape a point is because we were pretty clueless ourselves for 80 out of the 90 minutes.

 

It must rank up there with one of our poorest performances of the season with us continually giving the ball away and our inability to pass the ball over a couple of yards to an amber shirt.

 

Also disappointed with our lack of discipline which has reared it's ugly head again.

 

Burnell and Swift both yellow carded for gobbing off to the Ref and then Swift sent off for again giving verbals to the Ref.

 

When will the players learn that all they are doing is letting themselves and the team down?

 

In the last 10 minutes when we did put some passes together we showed how easy it was to create some good scoring opportunities against a big, physical but with limited ability Daventry team.

 

On the positive side we showed the character that we have in the team to come away with a point from a game that we could easily have lost.

 

 

I know the referee was poor today but I was disgusted by Stuart Swift and Danny Burnell's behaviour.Both acted like big babies[or should I say little babies !].Danny Murphy didn't cover himself in glory either and also got needlessly involved in slagging off the ref.Huge shame because I rate all three as excellent footballers. Pity they don't let their football do the talking.

 

It seemed that the ref had called Stuart 'darling' and this was the catalyst to start moaning at the ref. Made me cringe when both Swift and Burnell started going on about their lack of respect for the ref, when he called one of them, darling. Yet it doesn't matter when they constantly bicker at every little decision and that they think nothing of abusing the officials with foul language. Talk about hypocrisy.They want to grow up.They are supposed to be men.I think they haven't left the playground !

 

I was also saddened about the number of fans who got on at the officials. No wonder non-league football is having trouble getting officials. I accept that the referee wasn't very good but some of the abuse to me was out of order.

 

As for the game,Daventry had the best of the first half and I was thinking that Slough would lose the game, when Stuart Swift was sent off.However,when we went to 10 men, we began to upset Daventry's pattern of play. I thought Jake Parsons was MOM .Also thought Steve Perkins played well considering his lack of game time. Was a bit concerned at times,that Perkins and Woozley were too wide apart from each other in defence. Adam Martin and Ashley Deeney worked very hard today and Ryan O'Toole put in a useful shift and linked well with Parsons.

Ed Smith's injury is a worry and he will be a huge loss,if he's out for awhile. Especially,as Danny Burnell hasn't been playing well,of late.

Edited March 2, 2013 by 3spirit

[Slough Match Sec]

Stuntman Mark

 

The winners of the Frome game will be playing the second leg of the final week commencing 8th April ( with the Biggleswade game due on the Tuesday 9th ).

But with the back log of fixtures the second leg might be played on the Thursday 11th or vise versa. All I can say is watch this space.

[manc1]

You make me laugh 3spirit, you should get the true facts before you start slating people on here.

Have you ever played football at this level OBVIOUSLY NOT, are you a true supporter, OBVIOUSLY NOT.

Every time you post on here, you are either slating the players or the manager. I totally agree that the officials

should get respect from the players, but NOT when the referee is offering a player outside after the game for a fight

and calling another player a cock and not darling as you believe. Respect comes from both sides. Yes players

shouldn't argue, but when such bad blatant decisions are made like yesterday, how frustrating must it be and then

be treated like that by the referee, it was obvious from the kick off he wanted to be centre of attention and

boy did he achieve that, GIVE THE PLAYERS AND THE MANAGERS A BREAK THEY ARE ALL DOING THEIR

BEST.

Edited March 3, 2013 by manc1

[REBEL TRUCKER]

I have got to agree with every thing that manc1 has said he is spot on the ref after the game a arrogant so and so I was talking to the daventy players after the game and they herd what the ref said and they said that they would support the players if they wanted to report the ref

[hotspur]

You make me laugh 3spirit, you should get the true facts before you start slating people on here.

Have you ever played football at this level OBVIOUSLY NOT, are you a true supporter, OBVIOUSLY NOT.

Every time you post on here, you are either slating the players or the manager. I totally agree that the officials

should get respect from the players, but NOT when the referee is offering a player outside after the game for a fight

and calling another player a cock and not darling as you believe. Respect comes from both sides. Yes players

shouldn't argue, but when such bad blatant decisions are made like yesterday, how frustrating must it be and then

be treated like that by the referee, it was obvious from the kick off he wanted to be centre of attention and

You make me laugh 3spirit, you should get the true facts before you start slating people on here.

Have you ever played football at this level OBVIOUSLY NOT, are you a true supporter, OBVIOUSLY NOT.

Every time you post on here, you are either slating the players or the manager. I totally agree that the officials

should get respect from the players, but NOT when the referee is offering a player outside after the game for a fight

and calling another player a cock and not darling as you believe. Respect comes from both sides. Yes players

shouldn't argue, but when such bad blatant decisions are made like yesterday, how frustrating must it be and then

be treated like that by the referee, it was obvious from the kick off he wanted to be centre of attention and

boy did he achieve that, GIVE THE PLAYERS AND THE MANAGERS A BREAK THEY ARE ALL DOING THEIR

BEST.

You make me laugh 3spirit, you should get the true facts before you start slating people on here.

Have you ever played football at this level OBVIOUSLY NOT, are you a true supporter, OBVIOUSLY NOT.

Every time you post on here, you are either slating the players or the manager. I totally agree that the officials

should get respect from the players, but NOT when the referee is offering a player outside after the game for a fight

and calling another player a cock and not darling as you believe. Respect comes from both sides. Yes players

shouldn't argue, but when such bad blatant decisions are made like yesterday, how frustrating must it be and then

be treated like that by the referee, it was obvious from the kick off he wanted to be centre of attention and

boy did he achieve that, GIVE THE PLAYERS AND THE MANAGERS A BREAK THEY ARE ALL DOING THEIR

BEST.

Are the players getting paid ? Then I would expect them to act better, or is it that they cannot take the pressure when things dont go their way.Though I can assure you all ( as I have been doing for months now ) that we wont make play offs-at the present time or at least before yesterday we still had a chance,so would it have been to much to ask for the players to knuckle down and try and win these games ( if you thought yesterday was trying-god forbid ).Who wanted to be centre of attention the ref or those two players ??

Have you all noticed that every time Bateman " bigs " the team up in the papers they perform badly ? Has he no other motivational skills he could turn too.

 

boy did he achieve that, GIVE THE PLAYERS AND THE MANAGERS A BREAK THEY ARE ALL DOING THEIR

BEST.

Are the players getting paid ? Then I would expect them to act better, or is it that they cannot take the pressure when things dont go their way.Though I can assure you all ( as I have been doing for months now ) that we wont make play offs-at the present time or at least before yesterday we still had a chance,so would it have been to much to ask for the players to knuckle down and try and win these games ( if you thought yesterday was trying-god forbid ).Who wanted to be centre of attention the ref or those two players ??

Have you all noticed that every time Bateman " bigs " the team up in the papers they perform badly ? Has he no other motivational skills he could turn too.

[staines_rebel_Jr]

The ref is getting paid but he still acted in the same way.

 

it is true that most of the time bateman bigs up the team they dont perform well afterwards, Though I am sure we will make the playoffs.

[HorshamRebel]

I would just like to wish Ed Smith a speedy recovery from the calf injury he sustained at the game

[Sir Rebel1965]

As for Manc1's post, my post at 9:08 last night and the reference to a male chicken confirms the "cock" statement above and not "darling" as 3spirit claims.

[3spirit]

At the end of the day,it's the players word to that of the referee,none of which I care about.

 

As for me having a go at Steve Bateman that is a lie because I actually felt sorry for him yesterday,as certain players let him down. I also thought they let the supporters down, for losing focus on getting 3pts, which is vitally important if we want to get promoted.

 

I don't go to football matches to watch bad referees or spoilt kids. I go because I enjoy sporting contests played in the Corinthian spirit by real men,hence why I watch rugby union,too.

The only Slough side I've seen win promotion outright was Alan Davies's team,which featured notable players such as Steve Thompson,Alan Pluckrose,Tony Knight,Neal Stanley,Trevor Howe,Mark Mallinson,Trevor Bunting etc. Players who knuckled down and rolled up their sleeves and got on with it and proved their mettle by their footballing skills.

Why can't we have players like that,still?

 

Disappointingly,times have changed and now the non-league game has become full of poseurs and players who think they're better than they are and are unwilling to pull together for the good of the club and their manager.

From my perspective,what is also galling,is that ,on this forum, I was advocating only a couple of weeks ago that Stuart Swift should be in the team more often.Also that Danny Murphy and Danny Burnell are among the most talented players at the club and just because Danny Murphy's form hadn't been good,didn't make him a bad player.

 

I'm not saying these players should leave the club. I do think,though,they should look honestly at themselves and admit they let us fans and their manager down.End of.

[HEAVY TRUCKER]

I have got to agree with every thing that manc1 has said he is spot on the ref after the game a arrogant so and so I was talking to the daventy players after the game and they herd what the ref said and they said that they would support the players if they wanted to report the ref

rebel as an oficial at the game you should keep what you hear to yourself or you could find yourself in deep water not only with the club but with the fa wether volounteer or not. savvy.

[camra rebel]

I was talking to Swifty just before the end of game about the ref, he said he could understand being given a second card if had called the ref a w*nker after he booked him but all he said was " I can't believe you just booked me for pointing out that it wasn't a corner" and the ref replied "OK then I will give you a second card". Swifty also said that the ref had called him a "cock" earlier.

It's a shame when the ref thinks everyone comes to watch him. its so much better when the ref has a good game and you don't notice him.

Anyway just gutted that that Slough didn't really start playing until the last 10 minutes and then should have won it.

Just noticed that Frome are now 1 point off the relegation zone and have lost over half their home games. COYR

[HorshamRebel]

Here's what the Observer says about it

 

http://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/sport/football/articles/2013/03/04/87218-slough-town-incensed-by-referee-mark-engelbrestons-insults/

[Don Juan DeMarcus]

What a come down after the superb officials we had at Hayes who were spot on all game..

[Cookham Rebel]

Reading that article, it appears SB is absolutely livid with certain players, more so than the referee!

 

Who was the referee who officiated when we played away at AFC Hayes last season? Not the same guy surely? Seem to remember we had nearly our whole team booked for absolutely nothing, then he gave the one of the dodgiest penalty decisions I've ever seen, which Mr Rhone duely dispatched!

[Cornish Rebel]

I've read with interest the posts made about the daventry game and to be fair I didn't see the game but have read the reports and seen the photos.i have played at a reasonably high level in cornwall as an adult and around bucks as a youth.with all due respect there is no excuse for back chatting the ref and getting yourself sent off in any game and it seems to me when this happens it is cause the team are frustrated and unable to break down the other side.im not having a go at certain slough players but we were always told if you wanted to say anything say your piece then leave the ref alone.mutter what you want to yourself under your breath as you walk away and then take your frustration out on the other side.there is nothing worse than going down to ten men when you need to win the game.I hope SB does take action against the players with dissent problems and as much as I hate to say it it just looks like slough are using the ref (who did seem out of order )as an excuse for not being able to see sides like daventry off.

[Irishadrian]

Cornish rebel I tend to agree with you Its interesting that there is a well written and balanced report on the Daventry site containing no rants or criticism of the refs decisions apart from suggesting the penalty decision against them was wrong Almost all the discussions on this thread are about the ref when they should be about the teams failure to win another home game Its only a few weeks since Bateman was quoted as saying that winning the home games was essential since then we have lost to Chalfont and drawn this game Discipline has been a serious problem for several seasons and Bateman has several times promised to sort it and failed to He's angry because he knows the cause of his failure to deal with discipline is because few of the squad respect him Lets hope that this time his promise to "hammer" the ferals is more than empty words On another subject has anyone any idea why there were no unforced substitutions in this game by the Rebels?

[Don Juan DeMarcus]

Re- comments above. The ref was terrible but agreed we should be able to see daventry level teams off if we have any realistic hope of promotion. I don't think anyone is blaming the ref for the result, neither pens should have been given- in fact I think the one we won was harsher. After playing at a variety of levels of football from Sunday league to youth for a reasonable level team I have never had a ref EVER threaten a player or mouth off, after gaining less than a handful of yellow cards in 20 odd years of playing, I think I would have reacted pretty badly to the refs comments, and may well have reacted in a way that saw me get a red.

[Cornish Rebel]

I know a lot of good refs but also a lot of them become a ref and as soon as they put on their black gear they turn into a total twat! I worked with a ref once and he refereed a cup semi final I was playing in .I came on in the second half and as I walked onto the pitch he asked me for my name to cross off in his book. I replied "you know my name you [****!!****]ing work with me eight hours a day" he then proceeded to ask me for my name about 30 times and I refused to give it to him.He eventually threatened to send me off.typical a good bloke at work but as a ref a total arsehole !!!The best ref I ever had for a game was a woman.

 

[staines_rebel_Jr]

The daventry team and management have all said that they are willing be back slough if the club decides to lodge a complaint about the ref which shows that there clearly was a problem.

 

One of the greatest referees ever was pierluigi collina and the main reason why he was rated so highly was because he was firm but fair and never became intimidated mut instead comanded respect.

 

Just like every player, referees had bad days but they shouldn't act like mr engelbreston.

[Irishadrian]

If all the Daventry team and management were prepared to support a Slough complaint that would guarantee it would be thrown out Clearly they couldnt all have heard any thing that was said from their various positions around the pitch/ground The FA would see it as a conspiracy against their official There is now an interview with the Daventry manager on their site postmatch and again apart from disagreeing about the penalty no other adverse comments about the ref I think we should ask ourselves what is the benefit to Slough in making a complaint? Im sure the ref will deny what is alleged or claim worse was said to him and the FA are known for supporting their people unless there is absolute proof not hearsay also the FA will look at the previous disciplinary history of the players making allegations Also do we want other refs who resent an attack on one of their own playing to the letter of the law when officiating a Rebels game.