Wednesday 13th fixtures

[4-5-1]

Can someone please tell me how many goals the other strikers have compared to Allen?

[HKP]

See I've got us all talking respectfully now about a decent subject.

If all them players left them clubs you mentioned they would go and spend big money on another goalscorer. Can Guernsey do that?

The club policy is just to pick players who live in Guernsey so we wouldn't be able to go and buy another striker. However there are players scoring lots of goals in the local league that currently do not feature for Guernsey. Marc McGrath (32 goals), Craig Young (24), Simon Tostevin (20) and Glenn le Tissier (19). So one of those could play if they wanted to. Plus Dom Heaume can play further forward, Nigel Hutton is starting to find the back of the net, Matt Loaring, Dave Rihoy etc.

[newby marvel]

id still say possibly you wouldnt score as many goals without allen an yes youve done well without zico but then i think your midfield is very strong regardless of who plays there

[Smudge]

The added bonus for Guernsey is that there are Goalscorers all through the side.Their workrate and Fitness is exceptional,down to their Management Team.Remember they now have the added bonus of a video of every game they play bar 1,that must help also.Think I will do a survey,of how they play 2nd time against a Team,having watched them on video.How many CCL Premier Managers do you think are signed up to GFCTV?

[mal316]

I would imagine IF we secure promotion then we would play a slightly more defensive game.

 

HKP, IF you do manage to get promotion will the club still be willing to fund teams travel over to Guernsey?

 

Now, before anyone labels me a Guernsey hater I am not. I believe that anyone who finishes in a promotion position should be entitled to go up but I understand that League constitutions still have to be voted in by the existing clubs and I can see a lot of them not being happy with having to fund a trip to Guernsey bearing in mind the current financial climate.

[Mark-Tommo]

What happens when you get to the level that the island players are not good enough?

[E&E Rich]

mal316 I don't think the Leagues have a choice anymore.

 

The FA put teams where they want and that's the way it is. I can't see the Ryman League standing up to the FA on that, even if their member clubs were all against it.

 

As for the question about what happens when the island players are not good enough, I asked that one towards the end of last year. In addition, I can't seriously believe Allen would stick around if he was offered a decent pro contract. Now this may be no different to most players at non-league level. But you have a much smaller pool of players to replace them with.

Edited February 14, 2013 by E&E Fred

[HKP]

HKP, IF you do manage to get promotion will the club still be willing to fund teams travel over to Guernsey?

I would guess so if we had to, would depend on what the League/FA requirements are.

[HKP]

What happens when you get to the level that the island players are not good enough?

Guess we will (hopefully) soon find out. This group of players are capable of holding their own at Step 4, maybe Step 3?

[NCEL fan]

What happens when you get to the level that the island players are not good enough?

 

Unless a conscious decision is made to play/recruit players from the mainland, they'll find their level and like most sides, stay there and hope to consolidate.

 

I reckon the current crop of players could get out of a step 4 league on ability but travel, logistics, politics, family commitments etc may mean that doesn't happen.

 

That said, they've continued to achieve beyond what I thought they could achieve as a group up to this point so who knows?

 

For the good of Guernsey football development on the pitch I think staying with locals/those living in Guernsey is the way to go, but for fans it's probably possible to develop a professional model and compete in Step 1 or league football given the travel links, private sector funding available and numbers through the (soon to be installed) turnstile. That would be exciting for fans undoubtedly, but would probably limit development opps through GFC for local players.

[Big J R]

Another 'Guernsey' thread provokes much thought and comment.

 

Don't you just love it ?

 

Smudger must get this years award for a comment that puts the lit match to an open petrol-can !

[BAD GUY]

I can only comment on the last and only time (I was going to Egham but called off) I've seen Guernsey play and that was against Molesey quite recently expecting to see good things. As I commented in my previous thead/post about that game, I was disappointed with Guernsey, so what was I expecting I ask myself at Step 5 level ?

 

I'm sure some Guernseyrites who watched the game will agree, and its been well documented, Molesey should have wrapped the game up in the first 30 mins had it not been for Tardif their keeper, but Molesey didn't.

 

In fairness Allen was quiet and didn't do much in the game, which can be down to Molesey defence BUT he still scored and should have had another at the death, so he was disappointing becuase I was expecting more not ever watched him before.....so what was I expecting ?

 

I personally think that evidence shows Allen is well capable at Step 5 & 6 but the proof will be in the pudding should Guernsey get promoted upto Step 4 where teams in my opinion, are more professional, players have better attitudes, they are bigger, stronger, fitter, more organised and in general better than CCL players.

 

The day I saw Allen could have been a one off but other than hitting the post and 1 fine save from the Molesey keeper, they rarely troubled Molesey, Opposing teams should do their homework as defensively Guernsey appear to be very average, which will be capialised on by other teams going up another level.....

[TRS]

I personally think that evidence shows Allen is well capable at Step 5 & 6 but the proof will be in the pudding should Guernsey get promoted upto Step 4 where teams in my opinion, are more professional, players have better attitudes, they are bigger, stronger, fitter, more organised and in general better than CCL players.

 

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating....

 

Nice Guy used to make the same mistake, BG

Edited February 14, 2013 by TRS

[Smudge]

HE DID INDEED TRS.BAD GUY HAS ALL THE TRAITS OF NICE GUY.A MOLESEY WATCHER AS WELL.

[Mark-Tommo]

 

Guess we will (hopefully) soon find out. This group of players are capable of holding their own at Step 4, maybe Step 3?

 

Step 4 I believe you would be capable of holding your own. And could get out of the league with a couple of years work.

Step 3 I would consider a jump to high for your current squad. And that would be the time I think your be looking to mainland players.

I hope you manage promotion this year, as seeing how Guernsey handle step 4 is an exciting prospect.

Edited February 14, 2013 by Mark-Tommo

[Rother]

 

I personally think that evidence shows Allen is well capable at Step 5 & 6 but the proof will be in the pudding should Guernsey get promoted upto Step 4 where teams in my opinion, are more professional, players have better attitudes, they are bigger, stronger, fitter, more organised and in general better than CCL players.

Wow. Some stunning insights right there.

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

Allen could well follow in the footsteps of Charlie Austin and Jamie Vardy one day - I would not be surprised if he's playing in The Football League soon.

 

I know that Exeter, Oxford, Wycombe and Swindon have been interested in him, plus a contact of mine has said that Paolo Di Canio has a dossier on him.

[VPCTFC]

I can only comment on the last and only time (I was going to Egham but called off) I've seen Guernsey play and that was against Molesey quite recently expecting to see good things. As I commented in my previous thead/post about that game, I was disappointed with Guernsey, so what was I expecting I ask myself at Step 5 level ?

 

I'm sure some Guernseyrites who watched the game will agree, and its been well documented, Molesey should have wrapped the game up in the first 30 mins had it not been for Tardif their keeper, but Molesey didn't.

 

In fairness Allen was quiet and didn't do much in the game, which can be down to Molesey defence BUT he still scored and should have had another at the death, so he was disappointing becuase I was expecting more not ever watched him before.....so what was I expecting ?

 

I personally think that evidence shows Allen is well capable at Step 5 & 6 but the proof will be in the pudding should Guernsey get promoted upto Step 4 where teams in my opinion, are more professional, players have better attitudes, they are bigger, stronger, fitter, more organised and in general better than CCL players.

 

The day I saw Allen could have been a one off but other than hitting the post and 1 fine save from the Molesey keeper, they rarely troubled Molesey, Opposing teams should do their homework as defensively Guernsey appear to be very average, which will be capialised on by other teams going up another level.....

 

I don't pretend to know anything about tactics and don't watch individual players but, when we played Guernsey, one fella mentioned on Twitter that Allen, in his opinion, was over-rated as he didn't do much but Zico-Black was class.

You can't judge any individual or team on just one game of course.

I've seen Guernsey thrice so far. My honest opinion - they're a decent side but nothing that special. Yes, they'd hold their own at step 4 but so would a few current CCL teams. History has shown that teams going up from the CCL rarely come back down again, although a couple have flirted with relegation.

[NCEL fan]

I'd echo that VPCTFC - top step 5 sides almost always adjust comfortably to life in step 4. My theory on that is that it's usually more attractive for good players to be in a top Step 5 side in terms of money, less travel and more focus/momentum around winning or gaining promotion than in a struggling step 4 side where money is tight, long journeys still need to be done on a Tues night in April and motivation levels are waning.

 

Bad Guy - I remember reading you were attending the Molesey game and that it was your first game. It was probably their worst performance to date in this league from what I've seen (most on TV admittedly). They couldn't pass it 5 yards and looked very rusty. Allen was quiet, which he sometimes can be, but he was feeding off scraps largely (apart from a good chance at the end). His record speaks for itself - just a class act all round. That's not a defensive comment about GFC, just trying to put it in perpective. It was after a long break with some key players missing (I know everyone has that but again, context!) and one of the outstanding things about them is that they rarely have an off day - their consistency is fantastic and a credit to the players and staff, though they did have a daft 20 on Weds night at Croydon by all accounts.

[NCEL fan]

Sorry - to finish the Step4/5 thing, the club still has to convince those players to stay after promotion but it's easier when you're on a roll and money is probably more readily available than at perennial step 4 strugglers.