Bizarre Happenings!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smudge]

Some strange things are happening in the CCL at the moment,be very interested in your views.

 

1. Ref awards a Corner,the corner is taken,headed home by the Forward.Ref awards a Goal,players proceed back to the halfway line,where they see the Assistant on the Half way line,waving his flag with much vigour.Has he taken any stick NO,he then informs the Ref that the ball was not in the correct place,when the kick was taken.How did he know this you may ask from fully 50yds away,he replied that before the game he placed a mark on the very sodden Turf.If he had it was not visible to the naked eye from 5yds let alone 50 yds.The ref went with the Assistant,and disallowed the Goal,and the corner was retaken.Correct decision?

 

2.A groundhopping friend of mine who attended the Windsor v Cove game at Stag Meadow,had an odd tale to tell as well.He reckons that the Ref was credited with Cove's 2nd goal by the Windsor Tannoy announcer,which I told him could not be right,as Officials are independent.However when asked how the Goal came about it was a Penalty,rightly given by the Ref.I told him he must be mistaken,the Nice people of Windsor would not lower their very High Standards,in demeaning a decision in that manner.He was however adamant that this occured,can any Windsor poster confirm this happened.Rother were you there?Be interested in your honest comments.

[Windsor_Sec]

Smudge, you ask for honest comments yet state matter of factly that the penalty was rightly given based on one person's opinion so we're on a loser straight away as your friend and the referee were the only two people in the ground that thought it was a penalty ! There was no appeal from the Cove players and their officials in the boardroom after the game said what a great ball-winning tackle it was but hey-ho sometimes you get them go against you and sometimes for you !

With regards to the tannoy announcement I can confirm that it did indeed happen but the first I knew of it was after the game when our tannoy man apologised to me. He didn't see who the goalscorer was and asked some people sitting in front of him and was given a name which he gave out without checking the team sheet and it turns out that it was a wind-up as the name given was that of the referee !

Mind you [and bear in mind this is said tongue in cheek], given that the referee seemed to want to be the centre of attention all afternoon you would think he'd be proud to have his name read out but that obviously wasn't the case as he informed me after the game he would be reporting the incident to the league as misconduct so maybe we'll now follow the example set by many of the CCL clubs we visit and not bother in future trying to keep the crowd informed by way of tannoy announcements !

I could make further comment about his performance but I'll save that for my official report to the league which will only be the 3rd poor report since we joined the CCL !

In theory though Smudge a referee can score a goal if for example he deflects a shot in and it wouldn't then be honest to announce someone else had scored would it, or does it just go down as an assist ?

[HKP]

In theory though Smudge a referee can score a goal if for example he deflects a shot in and it wouldn't then be honest to announce someone else had scored would it, or does it just go down as an assist ?

If the referee is the last person to touch the ball then he is of course not acredited with the goal. It would be credited to the player who last touched it.

[Gluck_ab]

1. Correct decision. The game hasn't restarted (yet with a kick-off by the team conceeding the goal) so a re-take is allowed. However, as a referee, if I haven't specifically included something in pre-match instructions to my ARs to cover this eventuality I wouldn't want this involvement from an AR unless it was very, very obvious, and, in which case i'd hope to have spotted it myself anyway. This goes on the premise of 'no surprises'.

 

As you've described it, i've never heard of an AR marking the field of play either.

 

2. Can't comment as I wasn't there.

[Windsor_Sec]

That may well be the 'accepted' practice but I can't recall ever seeing anything in the Laws of the Game to say otherwise !

[Smudge]

Smudge, you ask for honest comments yet state matter of factly that the penalty was rightly given based on one person's opinion so we're on a loser straight away as your friend and the referee were the only two people in the ground that thought it was a penalty ! There was no appeal from the Cove players and their officials in the boardroom after the game said what a great ball-winning tackle it was but hey-ho sometimes you get them go against you and sometimes for you !

With regards to the tannoy announcement I can confirm that it did indeed happen but the first I knew of it was after the game when our tannoy man apologised to me. He didn't see who the goalscorer was and asked some people sitting in front of him and was given a name which he gave out without checking the team sheet and it turns out that it was a wind-up as the name given was that of the referee !

Mind you [and bear in mind this is said tongue in cheek], given that the referee seemed to want to be the centre of attention all afternoon you would think he'd be proud to have his name read out but that obviously wasn't the case as he informed me after the game he would be reporting the incident to the league as misconduct so maybe we'll now follow the example set by many of the CCL clubs we visit and not bother in future trying to keep the crowd informed by way of tannoy announcements !

I could make further comment about his performance but I'll save that for my official report to the league which will only be the 3rd poor report since we joined the CCL !

In theory though Smudge a referee can score a goal if for example he deflects a shot in and it wouldn't then be honest to announce someone else had scored would it, or does it just go down as an assist ?

 

Windsor Sec,a very poor defence in my opinion.Does the Tannoy announcer not check his Teamsheets,now if you tell me he got the other 5 goalscorers wrong,I will believe it was a Wind Up.Otherwise goes down as Sour Grapes with me,expected better from Windsor,We all know about Boardroom chats,of course Cove will say it was not a Penalty,but hey ho they scored it.They would say that would they not,or are they putting in a Report about how poor the Ref was,like your goodselves,I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!

[Rother]

Smudge, it should not have been given as a penalty as it was a clean tackle - a very poor decision.

 

That's football.

 

End of.

 

(But I have never seen mild-mannered gent Rob Bullivant lose it before... He was briefly apoplectic!)

[Windsor_Sec]

Windsor Sec,a very poor defence in my opinion.Does the Tannoy announcer not check his Teamsheets,now if you tell me he got the other 5 goalscorers wrong,I will believe it was a Wind Up.Otherwise goes down as Sour Grapes with me,expected better from Windsor,We all know about Boardroom chats,of course Cove will say it was not a Penalty,but hey ho they scored it.They would say that would they not,or are they putting in a Report about how poor the Ref was,like your goodselves,I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!

 

So you're calling me a liar then Smudge ?

[bomaya]

Do you know if there was an assessor at the game Smudge?

[Smudge]

There was an Assessor at the Corner/Goal game,actually spoke to him.Funny enough he came from Croydon.Well Shirley to be exact.

[The Mayor Of Simpleton]

I was at a game pre-season where the tannoy announcer (who sounded like a mouse with constipation) got every scorer wrong.

 

After getting it wrong three times, she gave up and nobody else stepped in to announce the scorers.

 

A visiting 'hopper' was not amused, and was removed from the club for protesting that he be told who scored the goals in the game. Thankfully, his name wasn't Barry!

[Big J R]

There was an Assessor at the Corner/Goal game,actually spoke to him.Funny enough he came from Croydon.Well Shirley to be exact.

 

Don't call him Shirley !!!!

 

[Smudge]

Ref awards Free kick,goalkeeper comes up to take free kick 5 yds inside his half,at the same time Assistant flags for the other side to make a substitution which is Made.Before the substitution is finally completed,the Referee books the Goalkeeper for Time wasting,a yellow card.When asked about this decision after the game he said it was for cumalative time wasting.But how can the Player be time wasting,if the ball is technically not in Play,whilst a substitution is beeing made.As you all know there is no right of Appeal over a yellow card,but surely in this case a serious error has been made,that will cost the player £10,this cannot be right surely.

[Mark-Tommo]

One of our lads attempts to clear the ball Saturday from inside our box, which hits the ref. opposing player attempts strike at goal straight after, which then hits out players hand...penalty awarded? Harsh, or just unlucky??

Edited February 18, 2013 by Mark-Tommo

[newby marvel]

shouldnt your players know not to pass to the man in black?

 

an were you playing rush keeper? lol

Edited February 18, 2013 by newby marvel

[Rother]

Ref awards Free kick,goalkeeper comes up to take free kick 5 yds inside his half,at the same time Assistant flags for the other side to make a substitution which is Made.Before the substitution is finally completed,the Referee books the Goalkeeper for Time wasting,a yellow card.When asked about this decision after the game he said it was for cumalative time wasting.But how can the Player be time wasting,if the ball is technically not in Play,whilst a substitution is beeing made.As you all know there is no right of Appeal over a yellow card,but surely in this case a serious error has been made,that will cost the player £10,this cannot be right surely.

 

If the 'keeper took an age to get to the place where the free-kick was to be taken then it is time wasting, regardless of whether a substitution is eventually made.

 

Out of interest was the substitute for his team or the opposition?

[bomaya]

 

Out of interest was the substitute for his team or the opposition?

 

Smudge said "other side".

[Rother]

So he did.

[Smudge]

Where are our Ref posters when needed,or is the silence a sign of only preach the Laws,when you can defend them.Keep stum when you can't.Thanks to Gluck ab for his honest appraisal of the corner incident,think the lino sold the Ref a pup,which was his(ref)only error in an excellent performance,for not overuling the Lino.

[Gluck_ab]

Smudge

 

On the second example you provide, I don't have an answer for that one - in terms of cumulative time-wasting as the reason given by the referee, I presume there had been time-wasting previously and he felt that, in his opinion, the keeper had failed to heed warnings given to his team-mates? Was the FK awarded first and the GK so slow to go forward to take it that during the subsequent delay (or time-wasting) the AR signalled for a substitution to be made? If that was the case, maybe the ref had already told the keeper to get a move on, the latter didn't and so the former cautioned him and then allowed the substitution to be made. I think this is a case of having to be there to consider in the full context as opposed to an isolated incident.

 

Remember too, that a player could potentially be cautioned for leaving the FoP too slowly if it's clearly a delaying tactic.

 

Also, don't taken silence as an indication of not being able to defend the laws of the game. If the facts are plain and obvious, a decision can be explained. If they're not, as is the case in this instance, then I'll say so - as i have on this occasion.

 

Tommo

 

Firstly, bad luck and secondly, subsequent correct application of the laws. The referee is counted as part of the field of play if the ball hits him / her.