Do attendances govern league position?

[cup of tea]

It's been highlighted to us by certain parties on the odd occasion about our attendances. I was just wondering however if that completely governs what your league position would be.

 

Obviously, the more financial clout you have the better the chances of doing well are, but it all depends on what other revenue streams you have available and how good the players and coaching staff are as well I reckon.

 

If I can use an example from the Premier League - West Brom are currently in 7th position with 33 points and average home attendances of just over 28,000, Newcastle however are in 15th place in the league with 20 points and attendances of over 52,000.

 

Last season Lowestoft had higher home attendances than both ourselves and Billericay, yet it was the both of us that got promoted.

[Coffin Ender]

Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body?

 

In the Ryman League the worst supported team (Whitehawk with about 50 fans) are top. League placings are decided by money, it's just that money can come from all sorts of different places.

[andydick]

Based on BSS so far - certainly applies to the top 3 / 4 ... but as CE said there may be a whole load of different revenue streams.

Edited January 2, 2013 by andydick

[Dagger03]

The stats given for Hornchurch are wrong - as at 1/1/2013 the league average is 330 and the highest is 515.

 

Average HOME league attendances are as follows -

 

1987-88 - 91

I have no more complete seasons until 2000

 

2000-01 - 66

2001-02 - 91

2002-03 - 279

2003-04 - 547

2004-05 - 631

2005-06 - 400

2006-07 - 427

2007-08 - 456

2008-09 - 330

2009-10 - 271

2010-11 - 268

2011-12 - 301

2012-13 (to date) - 330

[paokman]

Bit of homework for you Simon, can you compile a BSS league based on purely home attendance figures, ie best supported team at no. 1 etc

[cup of tea]

Think it's above mate (see the post from Andydick), although the Hornchurch one is wrong Dagger has informed us.

Chelmsford are top, We're in the bottom third.

[andydick]

I'm pretty sure the nonleague site (where the above charts came from) had our attendance against Dover as 535 instead of 355. So, 180 less across 12 home games reduces the average by 15 (from 344 to 329). Essentially as Dagger stated.

[cup of tea]

Great detective work

[paokman]

Sorry Simon but missed the meat when i tried to enlarge it on my smart phone. Take your word for it

[Dagger03]

Please note - the HFC stats is not the only one that is wrong. Welling had a gate of 670 v HFC but their highest gate is listed as 644.

[cup of tea]

Sorry Simon but missed the meat when i tried to enlarge it on my smart phone. Take your word for it

 

Sorry Derek, didn't know you were on the phone - try this link:

 

http://www.footballw...uth/attendances

[cup of tea]

Form guide is interesting, Welling are the in-form team in the league.

 

http://www.footballw.../confsouth/form

[Eastside Urchin]

Course they are,they have been lucky to play us twice in a week!!!

[Eastside Urchin]

How can we not have more complete attendances from 88-2000

[Dagger03]

>>> How can we not have more complete attendances from 88-200

 

Because I cannot find them anywhere - if anyone knows where I can find them, please let me know.

[Eastside Urchin]

Surely the relevant league would hold that information

[Dagger03]

>>> Surely the relevant league would hold that information

 

Doubtful - there are no archived records on the internet for the Isthmian Lge. Peter Butcher is going to check, but is not too hopeful.

 

They were available at the time - and the 1987-88 season stats appeared in a book about football in Hertfordshire - but Isthmian attendances were rarely published prior to 2000-01.The local papers never published them either. Fred has some of the Herts books and he is going to check them.I will also check the non lge directory books which were published but I don't think they listed the attendances for the lower divisions of the Isthmian Leg.

[Dagger03]

UPDATED

 

1987-88 - 91

1990-91 - 78

1991-92 - 67

1992-93 - 96 - this was an unusual season, as four matches were played at Tilbury due to flooding at The Bridge, which meant that the ground could not be used for several weeks, and of course it also includes the home match against Aldershot (585), to compensate slightly for the lower attendances at Tilbury (average of 32)

 

2000-01 - 66

2001-02 - 91

2002-03 - 279

2003-04 - 547

2004-05 - 631

2005-06 - 400

2006-07 - 427

2007-08 - 456

2008-09 - 330

2009-10 - 271

2010-11 - 268

2011-12 - 301

2012-13 (to date) - 330

 

I got the extra seasons from the Non League Directory, which unfortunately does not have attendances for any other earlier seasons, and I do not have the books for the later seasons.

 

Fred is checking another two sources for the missing attendances, but unless they are quoted in one of the end-of-season programmes, then I doubt if we can get them.

[Eastside Urchin]

Oh blindly,I forgot about he aldershot match ,horrible bunch

[YELLOW]

Heard a few horror stories about Aldershot fans when they were in the old isthmian division 3 going to grounds and pretty much running amok.