Green_Fingers Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 The FA (Mike Appleby) have confirmed how promotion from Step 5 will work (as a one-off) at the end of this coming season. In a nutshell just 2 extra places are available and will be chosen from the 5 Leagues in the Ryman catchment area ( Eastern Counties League, the Spartan South Midlands League, the Kent League, the Combined Counties League and the Essex Senior League). The FA will take no more than two promoted clubs from these divisions and it will be decided on position and points per game basis. The FA will only take one promoted club from the other nine leagues. Full details in this link http://theonionsack.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/news-national-league-system-changes.html The method of choosing the teams tends to favour the less competitive Leagues where it is easier for 2 breakaway Clubs to get better points per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomaya Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Bloody amazed that they've actually clarified it before the start of the season. Excellent news as clubs can actually see what they need to do. It certainly suggests Whyteleafe might have made the right choice going into the Kent League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomaya Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I found this comment from Appleby interesting: "Step 5 Leagues don't like us taking too many teams in one year". I would hope this isn't an over-riding attitude from the Step 5 leagues. Wonder if Alan would like to comment. I'd like to think Leagues were there to serve their member clubs and would want to encourage promotion. It's not like they would lose clubs and not get them replaced and as it could potentially be bigger clubs that would come down and refresh the league, I can't see how the leagues could be unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudge Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 The F.A. have done something right for a change.Maybe they read these Forums?Great News for Windsor,Guernsey,and maybe Whyteleafe.The reason I think this was done,was to give Guernsey,with crowds averaging 1300,a better chance of promotion,along with Windsor.Good on them!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I'm happy to comment on this. The League will be more than pleased for two of our clubs rather than one to get the opportunity of promotion and will never stand in their way but in trying to look after the League as a whole it must be remembered that it does make life difficult at the other end when clubs going up are rarely replaced by others coming down. We are down to eighteen clubs in our Division One and if we lose two from the Premier at the end of this new season, with no-one coming back down, as I suspect will be the case, the knock-on effect will probably put us down to sixteen in Division One the following season as we have just about exhausted the supply from below. Our two effective feeder leagues are the Middx. County and the Surrey Elite League and I don't think there is a single club in either of those leagues with both a ground and floodlights of their own. Unless there is another "Windsor" or a "AFC Croydon" situation, I can't see where any new clubs will come from unless we have yet more ground sharing. Although I can understand the logic of the two Ryman Regional divisions at Step 4 having 24 clubs, so as to balance out the mythical 14 up, 14 down scenario, I fail to see a good reason for any of the three Step 3 Leagues having 24 clubs in their Premier Divisions. It still seems ironic that a full scale consultation procedure for Steps 5 and 6, ends up by making major changes at Steps 3 & 4, which I doubt very much were suggested by any of the Step 5 Leagues and clubs during the consultation progress. My user name has changed, should anyone be interested. I was trying to set an alternative name when I post on the Ashford forum but managed to change this one as well. It's after Mark Lazarus, top QPR player from the past and my hero when I was a boy as indeed was George Whitelaw, hence the previous name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Blame Me Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The F.A. have done something right for a change.Maybe they read these Forums?Great News for Windsor,Guernsey,and maybe Whyteleafe.The reason I think this was done,was to give Guernsey,with crowds averaging 1300,a better chance of promotion,along with Windsor.Good on them!!!!! There are more than 2 clubs in the Prem Smudge. I recall you giving me grief over mentioning Guernsey's home attendances. Now you write off the chances of 20 clubs. How patronising is that? Why can't you just sit back and enjoy football instead of getting all sarcastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor Of Simpleton Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 We are down to eighteen clubs in our Division One and if we lose two from the Premier at the end of this new season, with no-one coming back down, as I suspect will be the case, the knock-on effect will probably put us down to sixteen in Division One the following season as we have just about exhausted the supply from below. Our two effective feeder leagues are the Middx. County and the Surrey Elite League and I don't think there is a single club in either of those leagues with both a ground and floodlights of their own. Unless there is another "Windsor" or a "AFC Croydon" situation, I can't see where any new clubs will come from unless we have yet more ground sharing. A difficult one indeed, and I doubt that the Combined Counties would want to 'bulk up' places by having reserve teams joining the league e.g. Chertsey Town Reserves, Leatherhead Reserves. In the case of the Wiltshire League, over half of the teams are reserve teams of clubs at Step 5 or 6! Maybe if the proposed slimming of the Hellenic League at Step 6 goes ahead, you might gain Rayners Lane and possibly Wallingford one day (assuming that there is no side further east that could drop into the Combined Counties Division 1). Perhaps if Eton Wick get lights, at some point, they could be a team for consideration. What about Bisley? There's a ground there with lights which could be used by a club wishing to play in Division 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudge Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The F.A. have done something right for a change.Maybe they read these Forums?Great News for Windsor,Guernsey,and maybe Whyteleafe.The reason I think this was done,was to give Guernsey,with crowds averaging 1300,a better chance of promotion,along with Windsor.Good on them!!!!! There are more than 2 clubs in the Prem Smudge. I recall you giving me grief over mentioning Guernsey's home attendances. Now you write off the chances of 20 clubs. How patronising is that? Why can't you just sit back and enjoy football instead of getting all sarcastic? Not patronising at all ED,My views on the CCL are consistent,did say last year before a ball was kicked that the CCL Clubs,were like Turkeys voting for Christmas,when voting Guernsey in,THEY WERE PROMOTED.Then there is Windsor 9 pts clear of the 3rd placed Club last year,Be a brave man who put any other club in front of those 2,not Sarcastic ED,just a REALIST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E&E Rich Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 It is interesting as always to note Alan's comments. Here's one for him (and others) which may be especially relevant if he believes we are a bit short on clubs coming up. The Kent League I believe has to fall into line with other leagues and move to 22 next season. It appears that they have just 17 currently. How do they get to 22? Even allowing for reprieves they will surely have to take some clubs from the Sussex League who reside on their border. This will presumably have a knock on effect meaning that Sussex will also need some clubs even if they also reprieve teams for a second season. As a result I envision Guernsey (assuming they remain Step Five this year) and Horley being moved over for next season. Which then will leave us short by a couple. Does this mean relegation is a virtual non-issue this year and does he, like me believe that this is Guernsey's last season in our League regardless of which position they finish in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I believe it's a minimum of 20 rather than 22 clubs for each Step 5 Division but there have been no clues as to how this will be achieved. The FA invade every aspect of non-league life these days, one innovation at the end of the coming season being that clubs due to be promoted from Step 6 to Step 5 will be directed to the most appropriate league in the FA's eyes, in the same way as happens now with promotions at a higher level. It means, of course, that any club finishing in a promotion place in our Division One at the end of the season will have no guarantee that they will be placed in our Premier Division - they may be moved to a different Step 5 division. It could, of course, work the other way and we could receive a club into our Premier Division who are due to be promoted from any of the Step 6 divisions of other leagues around us. In general, it means that the League's hands are tied in all sorts of ways and we have little control over our own destiny. I don't necessarily believe that this will be Guernsey's (or any other club's) last season with us. Unless they win promotion they are no more and no less likely to be moved than anyone else. I hope as I am sure do others, that the top division of the Kent League will be populated by more clubs coming up from their fledgling Step 6 division, although I suspect that the facilities in that division overall, are worse than in our Division One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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