Conditions for promotion

[Southport - TOWNER]

The following is courtesy of nonleaguedaily.com

 

Does anyone know if what the conditions i.e ground, finances etc the promoted team has to meet to go into the Ryman next season?

 

Following legal advice, the Ryman League is preparing to challenge the Football Association's current proposals to re-organise the game below the Nationwide Conference.

 

In a letter to all clubs, league secretary Nick Robinson said: "The Board has given authority to the solicitors to proceed with a reference to arbitration and the solicitors acting for the league have now written to the Football Association to tell them of this step.

 

"The detailed case for the reference to arbitration will be lodged with the Football Association within the next two weeks."

 

The league's challenge is as a result of the decision taken in June 2003 to alter the

original decision to restructure taken in July 2002. The league remains fully committed to the 2002 decision.

 

The situation has taken another twist after the Conference issued an ultimatum at a

meeting in London.

 

In his letter Robinson continued: "I attended a meeting of the secretaries of the

Alliance Leagues on Wednesday 15th October when I was handed a letter signed on behalf of the Conference proposing that this league must provide the Football Association and the other three members of the Alliance by 5pm on Thursday 30th October 2003 with written confirmation of this league's 'complete and unfettered total commitment to the current 'Alliance' and its present objectives'.

 

"The confirmation must include a statement relinquishing the pursuit of all claims and or threat of legal action(s) or claims, by way of football procedures and or through the Courts.

 

This proposal was agreed by the other league secretaries without reference to their respective Boards and I have merely referred a copy of the letter to our solicitors for their advice."

 

[SOS]

That's cleared everything up then <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

[Smiler]

Yes I have read it five times and still confused; can someone give an idiots version for me please. <img src="/images/graemlins/deadflies.gif" alt="" />

[BOROMAN]

The Ryman Management are doing all of non league football a disservice by continuing with this stance.

 

Can't they forget, who was Ryman, who was Doc Martens etc and just accept the opportunity to grasp sensible regionalisation at last.

 

The easiest thing would have been to have disbanded the owners of all the feeder leagues and put them all out to Franchise bids.

[SOS]

I disagree. The Ryman League are supporting its member clubs. From what I've heard, the Ryman League will not be regarded as strong as the Dr Martens and Unibond leagues in the proposed shake-up. If the Ryman League fail to speak up for themselves, its member clubs are likely to lose out.

[The Invisible Man]

I understood that the (present) Ryman League would be on the same level as the Northern Premier, the Southern, and the new Midlands Leagues, all feeding into (and out of, so to speak) the new Conference Divisions 2 North and South.

 

Therefore the Ryman League is exactly as "strong" as the other three.

 

If by "strength" they mean standard of play, then this must inevitably even itself out over the years.

[BOROMAN]

Yes that's about it, the understrength thing is not accurate. Forget whether it be Ryman, Unibond,Doc Martens. There will be four leagues. Each will have an equal amount of teams.

 

1)North 2)Midland 3)South West 4)South East.

 

The Unibond will manage no 1, Doc M 2&3, and Ryman no 4. In line with the rough regions they manage already. The Doc M (old southern league) always did have a prem, div1 north and south. The Ryman only instigated this last season using it's clubs that it originally aquired from the old Athenian League etc.

 

It was the Ryman that was over subscribed with clubs in the first place. All it means is that a dozen or so Ryman clubs who only got elevated from Vase level because of the change last year will go back to playing at a lower level, although they may be saved by the re alignment of geopraphical barriers.

 

Sorry Ryman not a good enough argument to hold the whole overdue process up for. Look at the bigger picture

[Colin, Germany]

Surely the South West has a far smaller population than the North, Midlands or, especially, the South East.

[The Invisible Man]

Colin, I think that by south west tey don't mean it in the usual sense, ie the West Country, but they go right up to West London. The south east (current Ryman) would be more or leass London and east. As Boroman says, its broadly what the present Doc M and Ryman split is now but with the anomolies ironed out.

 

Although the Ryman only split Div 1 into N and S last year, it has the same number of clubs as Div 3 was renamed Div 2. It was theoretically re-aligned though, to be "level" with the county leagues. Thus, the winners of the ESL two years ago (Leyton) went into Ryman 2 but last year we would have gone into Div 1N (subject to election etc).

 

I agree with Boroman, I think it's only the badge and blazer brigade at Ryman HQ desperately clinging onto power, status and prestige as the see it.

[Southport - TOWNER]

thanks for that; think it clears it up a bit; but what will be the requirements to get into the next level.

[Freebird]

Most of what is above is correct but it is the Ryam clubs who want the management to go ahead with is move not the managemnet themselves

 

If the Conference North and South comes in then the Northern premier who will have about 10 team go up will take clubs from the local northern league below them to make up there numbers as they will have a premier and division one. as the north has fewer team than the south this will mean them taking team from even as far down as Birmingham and even Bedford.

 

The Southern league willhave around 10 to 15 team going up and will run a premier division along with an east and west division one this will cover as far down as Essex, Middx and herts in our area and would see teams like Cheshunt if not promoted and Enfield Town if promoted in the Eastern Division.

 

The Ryman League could see 10 to 15 sides go up as well and they as FA rules are at present will then only run a premier division and division one. taking teams in london and the south east to make up the numbers

 

The numbers will look something like this

 

NPL - Prem 24 - Div One 24 - total 48 teams

3 more team than at present

 

SPL - Prem 24 - Div One east 24 - Div One West 24 - total 72 teams

6 more team than at presnt

 

RL - Prem 24 - Div one 24 - total 48 teams

39 team less than at present

 

also of the 48 team that will be in the league only 22 approx will be current Ryman League sides the rest will come from the Southern League

 

Thi si what the fight is about and not power within the management Committee, its the clubs that want to stay as they are.

 

The Ryman League want to run a second division instead of the Southern League having two division in that way more of their club will stay in the league they are in at present and not be moved around and face more travelling and expence.

 

The Ryman and Southern League did meet and arrange some boundry chnges but the southern League club kicked it out as they did not want to merge or change leagues with Ryman clubs while the Ryman club voted it through and were happey to merge or swap leagues.

 

Finally the FA passed last year a recomendation that the Conference North and South would not happen and there would be three feeders still as present, then they changes there mind and went with the conference.

 

The Ryman case is about that change and weather it should have taken place once the first decision had been made.

 

 

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spelling c**p I no but you get what i mean

 

 

[Mr Happy]

So, basically, it's about as clear as mud then!

[lovely stuff]

The non league system is in a total mess at the moment.

I don't think a conference div2 is a good idea.

 

Team are prepared to make the vast journies required in a national league ,when playing at the pinnacle of non-league football{ie..the conference)....I don't see teams as willing to do so,in a lower division.

 

 

The sollution was simple,it's something that i talked about years ago.

 

There should be a Northern and Southern Conference.

consisting of the current conference teams, with teams from the RL,NL,SL making up the numbers,originly,to produce two leagues of 22 or 24 teams.

 

The winner of each league would secure promotion to the football league.....and the top two or four teams in the respective leagues, could play off for a rugby league style 'super cup' at end of the season to decide the out-right champions.

 

With a viable pyramid below those two league's,i think it could have been the best sollution

[Mr Happy]

now that makes sense apart from four teams entering to find the outright champion. The champion has to be the winner of one of the two leagues.

[SOS]

I have to say I agree with you Lovely Stuff. It's an obvious and practical solution. The distances travelled in the Conference at the moment are ridiculous. A Northern and Southern Conference would greatly reduce the travelling involved. Not only would costs be reduced but gate receipts would probably increase due to more derbies and the likelihood of more away fans at most games. You know it makes sense.

[lovely stuff]

Alright....the winners from the southern and northern conferences play-off to decide the over-all champions.

 

could be a two leg home-and-away affair....or a one off game played,at say, Villa park.

[Southport - TOWNER]

For my 2 penneth, think the Conference or Divison 4,is great; it is a good mixof part-timers and professional clubs.

 

As time goes on it will become more professional

 

Below Divison 4 should be a north and southern league, to allow clubs time to adjust financial to travelling out side their county type boundaries.

 

 

I didn't realise (Freebird) that it would appear that Ryman are being stiched up; but didn't they increase the number of teams in their league, as mentioned earlier?

[SOS]

Why the need for outright champions? You could have champions of Conference(N) and champions of Conference(S). Each champion would get promoted with two teams relegated from Division Three. Don't think there was a playoff between Division Three(N) and Division Three(S) when it was regionalised.

[Mr Happy]

What about the winners of confernece south and north playing a tie to decide the non-league champions for the season. The winners replace the bottom third division club with the loser playing the second from bottom thrid division club for a place in the football league. We must make promotion to the football league a major challenge but increase the excitement. This would do it!

[The Invisible Man]

As understand it the proposal is for the Conference to have a Division 2 North and South, so they are regionalised at sub-conference level,

 

Freebird, thanks for your clarification. What happened to the new 4th feeder eague (Midlands League) below Conference 2, that was to have been administered by the Southern League?

 

It makes numerical sense to have a true pyramid with each level having twice the number of leagues as the league above, ie 1 (Conference), 2 (Conference 2 N and S) 4 (NPL, SL, Ryman and Midland) then the counties.