Wellsie Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 See www.margate-fc.com for details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 lets see if we can stimulate a bit of contentious debate: living 200 miles away i accept i lose some of the local passion;but am i the only one to contemplate that there seems alot of local (margate/ramsgate) rivallry/bbb 'attitude' at 'junior' level. Is there a mini competition going on as to who has the best local academy/youth set up ? is that a waste of time ,energy and resources ? I am by no means putting forward for debate that the clubs should be merged 9the old thanet united stuff and not ressurecting that)but at junior level-is there a case for working more closely togeter for the benefit of thanet youth and football. WE read from many that football at youth development level is not about winning -but promoting skill set (not that i agree with that as i believe it is about winning every time)but that aside i seem to read one month what margate are doing in there academy-and the next month-ramsgate will come out with something how there set up is special. is this competition just wasting resources? Perhaps i have it completely wrong -and a little knowledge is dangerous-but from outside the fence-that is possibly the way it comes over to some. Could margate and ramsgate work closer together to promote the development of football at junior level ? there wil be all sorts of reasons why not-but there is 'always a way'-just finding it is the difficult side. If east and west germany can unite,catholics and protestants live in reasonable harmony in Northern Ireland-its not impossible. We seem to read of coaches/managers changing sides/reserve players going from one club to the other every alternative year.Surely every change dilutes the development. What if a 'gem' is unearthed-who benefits ? As i write above-difficult ot resolve-but not impossible. Should it be like the American football draft system-the clubs jointly develop the players-and then have 'alternative picks 'of the players ? Again-clubs retain their identity-but a bigger pooling of resources at development level ? Discuss if you wish to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsie Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 Let me give some context here. Both clubs are following different strategies for different reasons. The tie up with Hartsdown Technology / Academy has been under discussion for some time so any perceived timing overlap with what Ramsgate have been doing is purely coincidental. While Ramsgate have been successful with their youth sides, having as many as they now do presents a number of challenges that I'm sure they feel able to handle. Time will tell. Our community approach has focussed on a broader educational / well-being level through the club's highly regarded Community Scheme, while supporting the dood work the Margate Youth Section does. On the Community Scheme, we regularly get feedback like, "I didn;t know this was going on. It's brilliant and you shold promote it more." This is something we're looking at but it all takes management time etc. The other thing to bear in mind is the relative success that Margate has seen over more than a generation compared to Ramsgate. (I'm measuring this by league position.) As the senior team in the area, within reason, we will normally attract the better players to the first team; and frankly, while a number of players that have left the club have provided good service, most - not all - of them go on to play at a lower level. So Margate's approach in part is to attract people to the club - supporters as well as younger players - through a sucessful first team. Ramsgate are trying a different approach, so I don't see competition between the two clubs in this respect. The competitive element perhaps comes in putting bums on seats; and in that respect - while attendances at both clubs have suffered over the last couple of years - the numbers would suggest we continue to be better at attracting people through the gate and I would argue we continue to enjoy better longer term potential, which is the essence of the club's long term strategy. If the different strategies of both clubs continues to provide the opportunity for local yougsters to enjoy their football, others to develop as informed and educated human beings, and have the oportunity to play football at the highest level locally, then perhaps both clubs are doping their own good job. Having said that, COME ON YOU BLUES!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffin Ender Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 How much local talent is there (don't forget Thanet has mostly an elderly population and any kid with half a brain cell leaves the area once they reach 18)? Are there many lads capable of eventually playing Ryman Premier standard? Because otherwise all we will be doing is producing players for Kent League and Ryman South clubs. People will point to the Ramsgate side of the mid-2000s as proof it can be done but that was a consequence of our Conference years. We pretty much gave up any pretence at bringing through local kids because we knew they were never going to be able to play Conference standard. As a result that benefited the system at Ramsgate. Agree, however, that there are 'hidden' benefits of a youth set-up (raises awareness of club in the town) but I think any successful Margate side will always be mostly 'outsiders'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyriding Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 How much local talent is there (don't forget Thanet has mostly an elderly population and any kid with half a brain cell leaves the area once they reach 18)? Are there many lads capable of eventually playing Ryman Premier standard? Because otherwise all we will be doing is producing players for Kent League and Ryman South clubs. People will point to the Ramsgate side of the mid-2000s as proof it can be done but that was a consequence of our Conference years. We pretty much gave up any pretence at bringing through local kids because we knew they were never going to be able to play Conference standard. As a result that benefited the system at Ramsgate. Agree, however, that there are 'hidden' benefits of a youth set-up (raises awareness of club in the town) but I think any successful Margate side will always be mostly 'outsiders'. to re-cap you need a degree to play football then????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffin Ender Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 No, but it helps to deplete the pool of available local talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesco Bazza Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Why have ramsgate got the bigger youth set up? I personally think you need a good mix of locals in the team to be sucessful even when we were in the conference we had players like munday, lamb, harrop as well as players from folkstone dover area. Ramsgate as already mentioned had the local team of the early 00's. Why is it now we only really have robinson who regulary plays who is local? And he is always rumoured to be going to ramsgate. Surely a big youth set up would give us greater rewards? Or is it too much hassle for little reward as regards the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 There are a few local youngsters who have the ability to make the 1st team (7 at our last joint academy venture). Unfortunately the reasons why are many, wanting to be near mates they socialise with, loyalty to a person, listening to fairy tales from ex opposition managers but, mainly the lack of personal drive, ambition and will to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesco Bazza Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 but, mainly the lack of personal drive, ambition and will to succeed. Agree the problem with most youths these days just want the easy way out hope the education and football thing succeeds and produce people who want to play for margate and above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Whilst i have a sixth sense- i was not actually posting in anticipation of this when i posted above. What the heck is this all about ? http://www.ramsgate-fc.co.uk/forum/rams-chat/objection-objection/ http://ramsgatefc.co...opic/7970545/1/ Mr Able seems a particularly charming, human being (roll back the clock 12 months as a few from ramsgate point out to him ),and credit to Mr Sanderson to coming to the 'defence' of MFC and in particular local youth in general.and for seeing the bigger picture which was behind my original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I have to say it all seems a bit bizarre over there at the moment with their fans on each others backs and condemning supposed actions that have affected MFC. I must admit that I would be surprised if any decisions to exclude Margate from any Youth Leagues (if that is definitely what has happened) would be on the back of the word of one individual/club. However, they do seem fairly certain that this is the case and as you say, even the likes of Slanderson have said it is out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsie Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 Firstly, there are number of Youth leagues, don't forget (and I thought "MUSH" was now named diferently). Also, you'll not see anyone from Margate commenting officially on the issue of player approaches, but you can rest assured that isn't becasue we have something untoward to hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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