Law Changes.

[Gluck_ab]

All officials wearing black kit would be good but then many clubs would have to change their kits to avoid the potential clash of dark coloured shirts with those of the officials.

 

I don't think you'll find many refs at CCL level wanting to wear a green, yellow or red shirt.

 

You'll be expecting to see officials with white laces in their boots next!

[Smudge]

So all teams in bygone days never wore dark coloured shirts,I think you would look resplendent in Yellow,as for boots, is part of the code of dress for Officials,Black Boots?Have the Refs at CCL LEVEL been consulted about wearing brightly coloured tops,have they asked,or were they told it has to be black.Class system again I feel.Not being rude,as I RESPECT YOUR VIEWS,does the ball have to be in play,from a corner,for the Ref to book a player for a misdeameanor,and award a free kick /penalty.

[NICE GUY]

NG

 

No, i'm not saying that. I'm saying that implementation (application), or not, of this law at the professional level will have a subsequent knock-on effect at other levels of the game, i.e. it will ensure consistency in application of the law.

 

For the other subject, what you see on TV replays in slow motion and from a range of camera angles is not the same as the one-time only instance in real-time that the referee has of an incident. You correctly note that referees will often take some form of pre-emptive action to address this (such as speaking to the players) so if he does award a penalty or freekick, he's already gone some way to helping himself 'sell' the decision.

 

Oh come on Gluck, I know how protective you referee's are of each other within the referee's circle, but please dont hide behind those rose tinted glasses.

 

Yes, I notice the referee highlights ''I'm watching you two'' to the offending players, but to say there are TV cameras from all different angles which the referee's do not have the benefit of having (thats true),, but I believe I have witnessed only 2 possibly 3 penalties actually given for fouls from corners and set pieces. I will ask why referee's cast a ''blind eye'' to such fouls for whatever reason is beyond me, and all I hear from referee's is we just abide by the laws of the game....then either give a foul or penalty !!! I would love a referee/s to give a penalty.or free kick as see the reaction of the players for the next corner/set piece.

 

All Im asking of referee's is not shirk your responsibility, no more excuses, if its a foul give a penalty, and not the excuse ''oh I didn't see it''...in your heart of hearts Gluck you know what I mean............its the only way to stop the fouling and you know it so come on ref's have the b*lls and point to that spot !!!..

 

More and more now in non=league football I am witnessing the same, as non-league footballers are copycats and think if the pro's get away with it we can !

[Gluck_ab]

Yes, the ball must be in play in order to award a penalty or freekick. However, a caution can be issued for unsporting behaviour (for instance, adopting an aggressive attitude) or dissent without the ball being in play. Likewise, a red card can be given for violent conduct without the ball being in play - the restart would be whatever had been awarded previously (throw-in, goal-kick, etc).

[Smudge]

Thanks for that,so 2 players tugging at each other is not deemed to be Aggressive attitude,and dissent would not come into the equation,as dissent can only be towards the Officials.Sounds to me the Refs hands are tied.

[Gluck_ab]

NG

 

I agree with you in part - if a ref sees someting that is worthy of a foul, s/he ought to award a penalty or freekick. Equally, I can appreciate the difficulties of positively identifying foul-play in the penalty area where there are lots of players in a small area (zone), with those from both sides trying to discreetly (relatively speaking!) stop their opponent and not get spotted doing it.

 

All I would say is that it's often easier to judge from an armchair or the sideline than it is on the pitch - the former from multi-angle, slow-motion replays, the latter from often having a different view than that of the referee.

[Gluck_ab]

Smudge

 

Two players tugging at each others shirt could, in the opinion of the referee, be deemed as 'adopting an aggressive attitude'.

 

As I referred to in a previous post, pre-emptive action can help sell a subsequent decision.

[Krooner]

Hey NG.

 

After 1 world cup all managers were asked what annoyed them the most and what they would like officials to crack down on. Shirt Pulling was the answer.

 

At the mid month meeting clubs complained that there were too many yellow cards being issued and could the officials ease off !!!

 

As ever officials are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

[NICE GUY]

Bomaya

 

Maybe they'll just revert to the methods used previously before this fad become commonplace!

 

Memories Glick, so what happened to tie-ups eh ! Remember Leeds ..... !

 

The only winners with electrical tape is the manufacturers, especially now they have to produce all types of colours...lol !

 

On a bad note for tape, I recall a situation where unfortunately a player broke his leg and becuase of the tape used, they couldn't pull the tape off becuase of the pain to the player, so they had to cut both the tape and sock. Years ago just undue the knot ......simples !

 

Pads used to have very small spikes that stuck into the sock stopping the pad from falling out of position, oh they were the days.......!!! .

Edited June 20, 2012 by NICE GUY

[Jurg78]

What about guard stays, that a lot of players (inc myself) wear, which are essentially elasticasted velcro straps? I think they only come in black and white, but will they come under the same ruling as they aren't actually tape??

[NICE GUY]

Hey NG.

 

After 1 world cup all managers were asked what annoyed them the most and what they would like officials to crack down on. Shirt Pulling was the answer.

 

At the mid month meeting clubs complained that there were too many yellow cards being issued and could the officials ease off !!!

 

As ever officials are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

 

Kroontz, I know exactly what you mean that is why I would never be a referee, its bad enough in training sessions.

 

To be honest what has it really got to do club officials, if their player commits a foul that worthy of a yellow/red so be it, the answer is don't pull his shirt etc !

 

Referee's see a foul, have the b*lls to give it nothing more, nothing less card or not ,otherwise how are we ever going to stop this blatant fouling nonsense !

[Gluck_ab]

^Jurgs

^{How about using an appropriately coloured felt tip pen to colour them in!?}

 

^{In a different context completely, back in the day I knew blokes who on being posted from one parachute battalion to another used felt tip pens to colour in their existing lighter DZ flashes (in effect, recognition patches) to the required darker colour rather buying a new flash. That worked well initially until it rained hard or excess sweating through exercise caused them to wash out thus revealing their true colours!}

Edited June 20, 2012 by Gluck_ab

[VPCTFC]

Never mind fiddling with the current laws, how about implementing the current ones properly.

Players running into the box at penalties - happens virtually every time - nothing is done (although I realise the laws state it doesn't have to be punsihed in certain circumstances but in those that it does, it never is).

Offensive, insulting or abusive language is a red card offence. Refs are too scared to implement it.

Throw-ins - no one seems able to take a proper throw in these days. There were some shockers last night. The refs seem to ignore that law.

Stopping a free kick being taken by not retreating is a yellow card offence. Hardly ever punished. It's got to the stage where managers shout at their players to stand in front of the ball at free kicks knowing the ref won't do anything about it. I see the laws have been changed to allow 'vanishing spray' to be used though.

 

It seems to me that, as far as a ref is concerned, here are the laws regarding fouls.

1. A player has fallen over while being challenged. Issue a free kick.

2. A player has been fouled, loses the ball but stays on his feet. Play on.

 

Refs are being mugged off by players at all levels.

When Kroonz comes out with his favourite line of they're damned if they do and damned if they don't it makes me cringe. If a ref implements the laws correctly then sod what anyone says. So what if a manager, players or supporters accuse refs of being 'busy'. Their views don't matter. By not implementing the laws correctly officials, collectively, have made a rod for thier own backs. They've ruined the game as players and coaches have wised up and falling over when challenged is now something that has to happen to be a foul. It's part of the game from CCL level up to Euro 2012 level. It's pathetic.

Edited June 20, 2012 by VPCTFC

[Krooner]

Never mind fiddling with the current laws, how about implementing the current ones properly.

Players running into the box at penalties - happens virtually every time - nothing is done (although I realise the laws state it doesn't have to be punsihed in certain circumstances but in those that it does, it never is).

Offensive, insulting or abusive language is a red card offence. Refs are too scared to implement it.

Throw-ins - no one seems able to take a proper throw in these days. There were some shockers last night. The refs seem to ignore that law.

Stopping a free kick being taken by not retreating is a yellow card offence. Hardly ever punished. It's got to the stage where managers shout at their players to stand in front of the ball at free kicks knowing the ref won't do anything about it. I see the laws have been changed to allow 'vanishing spray' to be used though.

 

It seems to me that, as far as a ref is concerned, here are the laws regarding fouls.

1. A player has fallen over while being challenged. Issue a free kick.

2. A player has been fouled, loses the ball but stays on his feet. Play on.

 

Refs are being mugged off by players at all levels.

When Kroonz comes out with his favourite line of they're damned if they do and damned if they don't it makes me cringe. If a ref implements the laws correctly then sod what anyone says. So what if a manager, players or supporters accuse refs of being 'busy'. Their views don't matter. By not implementing the laws correctly officials, collectively, have made a rod for thier own backs. They've ruined the game as players and coaches have wised up and falling over when challenged is now something that has to happen to be a foul. It's part of the game from CCL level up to Euro 2012 level. It's pathetic.

 

Pretty much agree with you VP but I will say you have said something that makes me cringe and that is in bold. You know and I know that is not true. I have watched games with you where a ref has pretty much done the game by the book and you were vocal in your accusations of the ref spoiling the game. along with most of the peopl in the crowd. "Not here to watch you" etc were the calls.

 

As I have said many times before how about everyone involved with football helps solve the problem instead of taking the easy option of blaming the adminstrators and referees all the time. Perhaps managers should start dropping players when they cheat. Sod what anyone says just do it.

[NICE GUY]

Gents, lets be honest with regards to non-league/grass roots players, they look upto the pro game irrespective of what league, division and copycat exactly what the pros do ! These professionals are meant to lead by example to non-league players and especially the young kids, to whom some are idols. Its about the professionals giving a good image, then non-league and kids will soon follow suit.....!

 

Simple one could say ? Maybe not because of the pressure these players are under to win, so if its by cheating they will 'cos it's now part of the game so I'm told !

 

WE now see the 50/50 hard tackle has gone out of the game which years ago it was all part and parcel of what football was about. Nowadays, just the slightest of touches on a player he crumbles to the ground holding his leg with one hand and waving with the other implying that his leg has been broken !!!

 

Diving was hardly thought of in the English game, but when foreighers started playing for UK clubs, thats when the continental game joined up with the English game,so you couldn't tackle or should I say, scared to tackle.

 

I ask true blooded defenders, would they prefer to be a defender years ago or now ? I think I know the answer to that.... !

[MiddleMan]

At the start of each season the debates rage - tackles from behind, technology, wearing of jewellery, dissent, throw-ins, diving etc etc. My own refereeing days are pretty much behind me, but I do mentor up & coming officials and they are trained to enforce the Laws. The issue comes as they progress up the pyramid with the dependence on club marks to get ahead. If referees enforce the Laws (especially the technical ones) to the letter they are likely to be marked down by clubs. If they don't do their job and there is an assessor present, then he will mark them down. Pick the bones out of that!

 

There is little/no communication between referee appointment officers and club managers/secretaries. The whole system needs a shake up - those involved need to talk to each other - and I can't see that happening any time soon. So meanwhile I will ensure my charges are schooled to enforce the Laws. But some players do not make it easy, nor do the footballing authorities at professional level who seem unwilling to address some of the issues listed above. Too many vested interests!

[Gluck_ab]

VPCTFC

 

I think it's short-sighted and naive to state that referees have ruined the game - in effect, you are condoning the actions of players and managers who try and con referees, and in effect are justifying them. How about reversing that approach and taking action against the players and managers who you acknowledge do con referees, as Krooner has suggested?

[BlackDog]

Never mind fiddling with the current laws, how about implementing the current ones properly.

Players running into the box at penalties - happens virtually every time - nothing is done (although I realise the laws state it doesn't have to be punsihed in certain circumstances but in those that it does, it never is).

Offensive, insulting or abusive language is a red card offence. Refs are too scared to implement it.

Throw-ins - no one seems able to take a proper throw in these days. There were some shockers last night. The refs seem to ignore that law.

Stopping a free kick being taken by not retreating is a yellow card offence. Hardly ever punished. It's got to the stage where managers shout at their players to stand in front of the ball at free kicks knowing the ref won't do anything about it. I see the laws have been changed to allow 'vanishing spray' to be used though.

 

It seems to me that, as far as a ref is concerned, here are the laws regarding fouls.

1. A player has fallen over while being challenged. Issue a free kick.

2. A player has been fouled, loses the ball but stays on his feet. Play on.

 

Refs are being mugged off by players at all levels.

When Kroonz comes out with his favourite line of they're damned if they do and damned if they don't it makes me cringe. If a ref implements the laws correctly then sod what anyone says. So what if a manager, players or supporters accuse refs of being 'busy'. Their views don't matter. By not implementing the laws correctly officials, collectively, have made a rod for thier own backs. They've ruined the game as players and coaches have wised up and falling over when challenged is now something that has to happen to be a foul. It's part of the game from CCL level up to Euro 2012 level. It's pathetic.

Their views very much do matter. Aren't managers, players and supporters supposed to want the game played according to the rules? Do they really want the most skillfull and determined cheats to win rather than those who think being best at the game is the most important thing? This is a problem for everybody. If everybody despised cheats there would be a lot less of them around.

[Picto Cotts]

Drop ball scenario is a little more interesting now too.

Tape not a major issue but big white 'ankle' socks over existing kit socks is!

 

This ''ankle sock'' issue. I watched a game last season and amazingly the referee ordered the player off 'cos he had ankle socks over his kick socks, everyone thought he had been sent off !

 

Okay if its an FA ruling please, lets not get at the non-league/grass roots football players 'cos all they are doing is copying premiership/championship even leagues 1 & 2 players some which are idols. So if the FA want to stop this ''ankle sock'' situation, STOP it at the professional level, 'cos I bet that non-league players reaction to the referee would be well the professionals are allowed why can't we ?

 

The FA ruling is for ALL football players which includes all the pro leagues or have I got this wrong ..... !

It'll come from the FA for ALL REGISTERED FOOTBALLERS, Pro, Semi Pro and Amateur, just as the rulings came with regard to Jewellery, Snoods, Undergarments and now Tape.

[Picto Cotts]

I like this word SELL,it is Refs talk for making a decision look right,whether it is or not.

More so to effectively communicate to all, Players, Spectators, club officials alike, the reason why a decision has been made.